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66. Many people use it as a derogatory diss du jour to describe a pol without knowing what it really
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jun 2016

means. Neo-liberalism is an ideology.

* It rejects the conventional liberal idea that the free market is natural. This means that states working multilaterally have to work towards ensuring the best conditions for market to function.

* Linked to this, neo-liberals have no qualms with enforcing the market through legislation.

* The state must not interfere with the running of the market full stop. If the market is in trouble, the state can help encourage it to develop in a certain way, but it must not actively intervene (e.g. no state-owned assets).

* Although it is optimal for the state not to interfere in the market, it has a certain reponsibility to the people which means it must interfere by way of minimal taxes and bureaucracy to facilitate smooth running. In theory, given the right conditions, there is absolutely no need for welfare whatsoever.

* Only economic liberty is necessary for the people. Political repression is fine so long as people can participate in the economy freely.

Neo-liberalism itself is quite a broad term, but it must be differentiated from ordinary liberalism. Liberalism (e.g. Mill, Bentham, Rawls) is essentially the philosophical belief that one has the right to liberty, i.e. independent action according to one's own opinions, desires, etc. However this is within the bounds of 'legitimate' legal restrictions and providing that no-one else is harmed in the process. It's very much linked to utilitarianism (greatest good for the greatest number).

NEO-liberalism (see Hayek, Fiedman, Nozick) is a strand of liberalism that came about largely out of neoclassical economic theory, and contains most of the principles of conventional liberalism but adds more. There are a few extra bits:

* Whereas liberalism is a philosophical system, neo-liberalism is an ideology.

* It rejects the conventional liberal idea that the free market is natural. This means that states working multilaterally have to work towards ensuring the best conditions for market to function.

* Linked to this, neo-liberals have no qualms with enforcing the market through legislation.

* The state must not interfere with the running of the market full stop. If the market is in trouble, the state can help encourage it to develop in a certain way, but it must not actively intervene (e.g. no state-owned assets).

* Although it is optimal for the state not to interfere in the market, it has a certain reponsibility to the people which means it must interfere by way of minimal taxes and bureaucracy to facilitate smooth running. In theory, given the right conditions, there is absolutely no need for welfare whatsoever.

* Only economic liberty is necessary for the people. Political repression is fine so long as people can participate in the economy freely.

* The state is not the sovereign political unit in global politics. Economic actors understand things best, so states and economic institutions and companies ought to work together in a kind of corporatist framework.

* The workers needn't be consulted because it is in the interests of business to keep them well and happy ( eek )

NB The third way isn't technically neoliberal. It is a hybrid of social democracy and neoliberalism. It believes in utilising the free market in the interests of egalitarianism, but with minimal interference.

Neoconservatism could be seen as a subsection within the neoliberal camp. It shares the principles of neoliberalism, but also adds moral, largely Christian, norms. These are generally around the atomic family and the notion of 'family values', as you can see in the US. It varies in extent, but generally neoconservatives disagree that the state shouldn't interfere with social issues. Usually they believe the state has a responsibility for upholding the social and moral fabric of the nation.

The term neoconservative seems to the most rabidly pro-war, pro-empire members of the Bush administration. People like Rumsfeld, Perle and Wolfowitz. I think they're more in alliance with the Christian right than payed-up members of it.

Probably the definitive source of neoconservative thought is the Project for the New American Century.

Scary stuff...

None of that really discribes Clinton. Neoliberal is a throw away diss often used without know its real meaning.

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It's become a replacement for the word "establishment" Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #1
Neoliberalism was an anti-mercantilist Hortensis Jun 2016 #61
Asked an OP earlier what he meant by "neoliberal" cuz didn't makes sense George Eliot Jun 2016 #72
Today's neoliberalism equates to EXTREMIST CONSERVATISM Hortensis Jun 2016 #79
she won the primary swhisper1 Jun 2016 #2
What do you mean "catapulted to the fore"? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #3
Nice try Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #6
I'm sorry, what? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #9
Because it is. Hekate Jun 2016 #73
Maybe it's just that some of you are just now noticing other people talking about it? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #76
"Fascist" became old and overused. NuclearDem Jun 2016 #4
^^^YES^^^ Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #13
Corporatist, establishment...there had to be a third way BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #31
Ding ding ding... quickesst Jun 2016 #60
And there it is. auntpurl Jun 2016 #62
It's code for "The Unpure". nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #5
Exactly shenmue Jun 2016 #21
Many people use it as a derogatory diss du jour to describe a pol without knowing what it really brush Jun 2016 #66
Because those ideas have been put into place worldwide, some places more, some places less Warpy Jun 2016 #7
^^^this^^^ eom Purveyor Jun 2016 #28
+1000 OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #33
And it is clear also who objects to the term. alarimer Jun 2016 #49
Exactly. nt laundry_queen Jun 2016 #57
I've only ever seen it here, and only recently Hekate Jun 2016 #75
the complexity explained a little here... ctaylors6 Jun 2016 #69
Spot on. 840high Jun 2016 #70
It's a way to divide us, which is precisely antithetical to what being progressive is about. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #8
That's not correct. OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #34
Thank you for the info. I'll read the links. It kind of came up on us libdem4life Jun 2016 #37
The Clinton platform is not, by those words, neoliberal. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #38
Did i say it was? OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #45
You, no. But many here have. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #50
even a dumb dog will SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #78
Quite. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #46
Good post. nt laundry_queen Jun 2016 #58
Thank you! OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #68
it's moving public $$ to private: think Soc Sec, charter schools, pensions George Eliot Jun 2016 #74
Anybody who uses that term against a fellow DUer is engaging in a personal attack. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #10
Only if you view neoliberalism as a bad thing JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #29
oh yeah. Repealing Glass-Steagall turned out Ilsa Jun 2016 #36
Exactly. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #41
And here we go again...Same Play, Second Act. libdem4life Jun 2016 #39
I'm curious why you equate "Neoliberalism" with a "personal attack" NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #53
It is a game for a few here, they take a term they find offensive and marginalize it Rex Jun 2016 #59
i dunno MFM008 Jun 2016 #11
Not every one knows the meaning. Springslips Jun 2016 #12
Agreed. See Post 4 by NuclearDem, above. Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #16
That which the US calls 'neoconservative' most of the world calls 'neoliberal'. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #14
I know what it means Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #19
My comment was not intended to be an exact definition of the term but a fun way to point out why Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #22
wrong. not same arendt Jun 2016 #24
No. Term invented by Hayek in the 40s arendt Jun 2016 #30
I've written diaries using and explaining the term for tears. Just because YOU just noticed the term arendt Jun 2016 #32
Just because YOU used the term for a year is no reason I should have seen it. Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #52
"DU Sect"? OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #35
I have repeatedly used the term neo-liberal at DU in the past year and PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #43
"To the fore" where? Do you mean here? Or elsewhere? JHB Jun 2016 #15
I guess jehop61 Jun 2016 #17
ignorance is not funny arendt Jun 2016 #25
Well said...especially that last paragraph. libdem4life Jun 2016 #40
Republican was taken nt sarisataka Jun 2016 #18
lulz Rex Jun 2016 #20
A related article. CentralMass Jun 2016 #23
This ^^^^^ arendt Jun 2016 #26
Catapulted to where? Do you mean here, Europe, the entire globe, or on DU? countryjake Jun 2016 #27
It's a term the populist left use to conflate the establishment left and the establishment right. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #42
conflate isn't the word you're looking for here. nashville_brook Jun 2016 #51
Very well said. auntpurl Jun 2016 #63
So, it appears HRC is a Neo-liberal. libdem4life Jun 2016 #44
On DU, it seems to commonly mean "anyone to the right of me" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #47
Many of the people who use the term lapucelle Jun 2016 #48
Because a lot Hillary supporters and runaway hero Jun 2016 #54
Your logic kinda pretzeled me. Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #55
Trump is populist, Hillary (to some) is neo liberal runaway hero Jun 2016 #56
Seemed to appear as a smear word the last few days before GE mode kicked in. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #64
That's what I'm thinking, too. Plus, there was the matter of the word's usage. Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #65
Agreed, very childish. And it was rarely used in an accurate way. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #80
It's the core LWolf Jun 2016 #67
AFAICT they wore out Third Way and Turd Way as all-purpose insults and had to move on.... Hekate Jun 2016 #71
A neo-liberal is a Democrat who cares about the stock market ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2016 #77
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