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61. Yeah, employment is pretty decent...

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #47)

Sat Jun 25, 2016, 08:52 PM

Jun 2016

...but the housing problem and the inequality (notice the outer London boroughs where the rich don't live voted to go) are the main culprits and when housing becomes limited many people will blame the those that are 'different' first.

Human loyalty priorities (I'm saying this in general) tend to go family, social-circle, political party 'race', class, nation, "Western/Eastern", species.

If the well-off in England and Wales didn't want to leave the EU, they should have made it so that more people weren't left behind.

We are in a new age of political upheaval for the same reasons many other upheavals occurred.

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The EU doesn't protect workers' rights - it has destroyed them [View all] AntiBank Jun 2016 OP

amazing how TPP haters seem to love the EU so much nt msongs Jun 2016 #1

It's amazing that haters of trade deals... Meldread Jun 2016 #2

you just dont get it, it is not JUST Brexit, the entire EU was a priori a horrid project AntiBank Jun 2016 #4

Oh, I know exactly what you people want. Meldread Jun 2016 #5

ask the Greeks about fuckery AntiBank Jun 2016 #6

You are too busy engaging in the imaginary battle in your mind... Meldread Jun 2016 #7

I can simply reply that you have far too little faith for Labour AntiBank Jun 2016 #10

It is not the left that I do not have faith in, it is the voters. Meldread Jun 2016 #13

you keep saying neoliberalism is the far right, it is not, it is an infection of the left (making AntiBank Jun 2016 #17

Agree. Sometimes rebuilding from bottom up only answer. George Eliot Jun 2016 #19

Neoliberalism is defined by... Meldread Jun 2016 #20

"a general favoring of laissez-faire economic ideals, support for privatization, fiscal austerity, AntiBank Jun 2016 #25

Neoliberalism is NOT leftist. a la izquierda Jun 2016 #48

never said it was left, obviously AntiBank Jun 2016 #49

No, you said it's an infection of the left. a la izquierda Jun 2016 #62

I think the point was that the Aerows Jun 2016 #63

Well that I can agree with... a la izquierda Jun 2016 #64

and that is what I meant AntiBank Jun 2016 #65

btw I had read that Mason article several days ago AntiBank Jun 2016 #18

not the collapse, just reform swhisper1 Jun 2016 #26

"You people"?? whathehell Jun 2016 #50

watch and wait till Clinton does her likely post election pivot and TPP (if not rammed through AntiBank Jun 2016 #3

First intelligent thread on Brexit I've read. Thanks. George Eliot Jun 2016 #8

It is an immigrant issue: that's what the polls all show was the Leave voters' main concern muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #44

But the main reason... JSup Jun 2016 #46

Yeah, that's the situation in the UK. Government policy has caused a housing shortage muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #47

Yeah, employment is pretty decent... JSup Jun 2016 #61

K&R - though the EU didn't start off corrupt. closeupready Jun 2016 #9

Fido didn't start off... sendero Jun 2016 #12

Well regardless, it doesn't matter what I think - I'm American, and closeupready Jun 2016 #15

On the other hand, there's this to consider: closeupready Jun 2016 #16

Corruption. Everything becomes corrupt. Americans must stay informed. George Eliot Jun 2016 #23

UK just dug their own grave. JaneyVee Jun 2016 #11

That's why British unions, Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders supported Remain and pampango Jun 2016 #14

Link Bernie's support please. Per link, not so. George Eliot Jun 2016 #22

For example... LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #29

Sure. "Bernie Sanders Says He Hopes Britain Votes To Remain In The European Union" pampango Jun 2016 #31

Just wait until the 3rd Greek bailout and the upcoming European bank crisis. roamer65 Jun 2016 #21

+1000 laundry_queen Jun 2016 #42

It is hard to have a discussion with folks that don't know the difference between free and fair Rex Jun 2016 #24

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #27

This is bullshit. I'm european and I remember how it was before the single market` anigbrowl Jun 2016 #28

Thanks for some firsthand knowledge. Hoyt Jun 2016 #30

I am a European resident too, some of it pre EU and you are dramatically distorting things AntiBank Jun 2016 #32

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #34

you are the one with willful ignorance, all you do is ad hominem attacks AntiBank Jun 2016 #36

bullshit eh? AntiBank Jun 2016 #43

I'm the Queen of England and think you're disingenuous. tenderfoot Jun 2016 #35

have you ever lived here in the EU? you have some nerve calling me AntiBank Jun 2016 #37

pwned AntiBank Jun 2016 #41

Man d_r Jun 2016 #53

Debt at all levels (personal, private business, local governmental, national, and international) AntiBank Jun 2016 #33

The EU has done a better job of protecting workers' rights than the Tories would've done Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #38

go tell that to the millions of Eastern Europeans who are being AntiBank Jun 2016 #39

I'll be expecting the Tory's to enact sweeping labor laws soon. joshcryer Jun 2016 #45

Well said. British unions supported Remain because they trusted the EU more than they trusted the pampango Jun 2016 #40

"Whichever Tory is the next prime minister". That says it right all there. Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #54

Labour campaigned to stay in the EU so I would love to see them win the next election. pampango Jun 2016 #56

The EU did such a good job with workers rights 52% of Brits voted to Leave Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #51

Or both Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #52

No doubt racists are getting their rocks off but that doesn't explain 52% Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #55

Older conservative voters favored Leave. Younger liberal voters favored Remain. pampango Jun 2016 #57

That's Odd TubbersUK Jun 2016 #58

I completely disagree. The EU has been wonderful for workers. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #59

drive-by lightweight woo, you rebutted nothing I posited, and here is a direct example of the EU AntiBank Jun 2016 #60