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jack_krass

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135. Racial identity politics is a pholospphy built on a foundtion of jello

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:35 AM

Jun 2016

This idiocy, if taken seriously (thank god its it's only done so on message boards and universities) would make "racism" impossible to define (anf therefore fight) because the "dominate power structure" is subjective, and varies by city, county, and country.

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The Game Metaphor: How to Teach Racists That There is no Such Thing as Reverse Racism [View all] bravenak Jun 2016 OP

Institutional and personally mediated racism are two very different things. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #1

Have to find a different word than racist bravenak Jun 2016 #2

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #81

no, still racist. puffy socks Jun 2016 #82

I strongly disagree with this metroins Jun 2016 #3

Then, just about all post-20th century social scientists ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #7

You said it, not me metroins Jun 2016 #13

I'm saying that better than 2 decades of social scientists agree with the author ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #36

Brb metroins Jun 2016 #50

Okay ... Not going to argue with someone that is convinced by ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #61

lol melman Jun 2016 #96

They sure did, with all those peer reviewed RW articles they came back with kcr Jun 2016 #122

LOL ... And thus, you demonstrate the problem with relying on "dictionaries." 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #131

wrong heaven05 Jun 2016 #115

The problem is that the technical use of "racism" by social scientists is not the same tblue37 Jun 2016 #133

Thank you ... this really is a "popular parlance"/"technical definition" argument ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #137

Yeah, they do. AllTooEasy Jun 2016 #39

Indeed. cloudbase Jun 2016 #70

The author teaches racism and intersectionality bravenak Jun 2016 #8

No, it is not metroins Jun 2016 #17

Merriam Webster does not define racism for sociologists. bravenak Jun 2016 #19

Then feel free metroins Jun 2016 #26

Point them out then bravenak Jun 2016 #28

I'll do micro and macro metroins Jun 2016 #42

Ok. But this discussion is about racism in America. bravenak Jun 2016 #44

Reread your article metroins Jun 2016 #52

So were you alive 70 yrs ago, you would've agreed with THOSE sociologists too? 7962 Jun 2016 #106

I don't agree that anyone can be the target of racism mcar Jun 2016 #30

Dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive gollygee Jun 2016 #37

Racism is systematic while bigotry is individualistic. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #49

I disagree scscholar Jun 2016 #93

Of course a member of any race can be racist towards another race. 7962 Jun 2016 #104

I'll post a prescient ... "But. But. But. Whoosh" here. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #4

I know bravenak Jun 2016 #10

I grew up in an area where everyone was a minority. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #5

And the dictionary is not the place to find sociological definitions. bravenak Jun 2016 #9

A dictionary is where to find the meaning of words, which is, how words are used. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #20

And if you want a fuller meaning that is relevant today bravenak Jun 2016 #23

Dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive gollygee Jun 2016 #38

And Im not a sociologist Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #40

Racism = bigotry + institutional/cultural power ... Welcome to the 21st Century. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #12

Another dictionary: cpwm17 Jun 2016 #34

Merriam-Websters Learner's Dictionary hasn't studies the phenomena of racism. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #54

That's irrelevant. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #74

Too true. romanic Jun 2016 #123

I'm not under the illusion linuxman Jun 2016 #6

This has been discussed for years bravenak Jun 2016 #11

Neat. So do I. linuxman Jun 2016 #21

That's nice bravenak Jun 2016 #27

Isn't it just? linuxman Jun 2016 #31

+1 ... But now, we have the better than 2 decades of peer-reviewed works ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #22

I think just discussing it makes some feel oppressed bravenak Jun 2016 #25

Fragility! 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #53

We better be nice bravenak Jun 2016 #55

I fear I may be seen as having crossed a line in a thread response... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #65

Have a good time! Drink one for me! bravenak Jun 2016 #66

Put a group made up all, or almost all, of white men in a room gollygee Jun 2016 #43

That's how I see it bravenak Jun 2016 #48

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #77

+1 Marr Jun 2016 #80

Thank you for this, brave.. it certainly makes sense to me.. it's not the same. Cha Jun 2016 #14

Thank you!! bravenak Jun 2016 #16

Thank you, Sweetheart! Cha Jun 2016 #24

Nope, you don't get to newspeak "racism" Taitertots Jun 2016 #15

I can discuss the effects of long term racism and it's effect on us as a nation bravenak Jun 2016 #18

Of course you can discuss the history of racist behavior/ideas in America Taitertots Jun 2016 #33

This is about reverse racism not being a thing. bravenak Jun 2016 #35

If you hold any animus against another race, you're racist (regardless of your own race) Taitertots Jun 2016 #41

I have no idea what you are talking about at this point bravenak Jun 2016 #45

It's unambiguous. Anyone with racial animus is a racist Taitertots Jun 2016 #56

This paragraph explains that: bravenak Jun 2016 #59

No it doesn't. It's an offensive attempt to shield racists from criticism Taitertots Jun 2016 #67

It was a good explanation bravenak Jun 2016 #68

LOL. It's trash defending racist scum. Taitertots Jun 2016 #73

You're right of course, but here its "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" 7962 Jun 2016 #109

Not surprising melman Jun 2016 #90

You think every anti-racist activist is actually a racist gollygee Jun 2016 #47

Do you believe people can have racial animus without being racist? Taitertots Jun 2016 #63

I hope someday gollygee Jun 2016 #76

+1, that about sums it up. Marr Jun 2016 #79

I find the term "reverse racism" ridiculous and have never used it. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #29

I agree that it is ridiculous bravenak Jun 2016 #32

Bullshit. My Dad hated White people AllTooEasy Jun 2016 #46

I call that a bigot bravenak Jun 2016 #51

Nope doesnt sould like a racist to me jack_krass Jun 2016 #134

As a white man, I grew up learning that Reverse Racism is what the South wanted to exist so badly. Rex Jun 2016 #57

Such a strange coping mechanism.... bravenak Jun 2016 #62

I've never understood it. Rex Jun 2016 #125

Courts ruled differently in several cases One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #58

The US courts are notoriously biased against blacks. bravenak Jun 2016 #60

The Hartford case was pretty clear One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #72

That is called discrimination bravenak Jun 2016 #88

Discrimination based upon the victims Race One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #92

Right. Still not racism. bravenak Jun 2016 #94

You are referring to "reverse discrimination" NOT reverse racism... Raster Jun 2016 #64

I'm both amused and horrified by some of the responses in this thread. hunter Jun 2016 #69

From your link sheshe2 Jun 2016 #71

If someone tries to convince you they *cannot*, by definition, be racist... Marr Jun 2016 #75

Exactly. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #84

We are talking within a paradigm of dominant whiteness ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #101

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #107

Oh. ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #108

You're the one redefining the word 'racist'. Marr Jun 2016 #113

No ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #121

You are correct. nt 7962 Jun 2016 #110

I missed what prompted this, but cosign. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #78

White people going on about reverse racism treestar Jun 2016 #83

I had a friend complain to me about BET once. I laughed my ass off. bravenak Jun 2016 #87

I agree that there is no such thing as "reverse" racism, but that's all I agree with. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #85

Isn't reverse racism being especially *nice* to an, uhm, 'adversarial'(?) race of a different color? immoderate Jun 2016 #86

What's with all the dictionary worship in this thread? betsuni Jun 2016 #89

I also prefer a nice thesaurus. bravenak Jun 2016 #91

Thesauruses are great. "Bigotry" is a synonym for "racism", for example: Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #119

"but but but Bravenak! I'm White and Black people Made Fun of my whiteness" lib87 Jun 2016 #95

+10^10 ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #97

Excellent explanation MrScorpio Jun 2016 #98

Coleman Young said that black people cannot be racist. Oh, how the suburban white politicians howled tclambert Jun 2016 #99

That's very soecific to the US. Adrahil Jun 2016 #112

As was Rhodesia, in its day. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #130

First, you've got to convince them to stop watching FOX 'news'... Stellar Jun 2016 #100

"Reverse" racism is a dumb term. It's just more racism. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #102

I have posted this before but it bears repeating Haveadream Jun 2016 #103

That's brilliant! athena Jun 2016 #111

I'm not sure either Haveadream Jun 2016 #120

yankees vs cleveland. indeed. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #105

Exactly Uponthegears Jun 2016 #114

+1000 heaven05 Jun 2016 #116

I think the more we talk about it the better able we are to find some solutions bravenak Jun 2016 #117

hopefully heaven05 Jun 2016 #118

bravenak, do you agree brer cat Jun 2016 #124

I agree with that, I don't find it too simplistic. bravenak Jun 2016 #126

I'm not even going to try with this shit. forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #127

There is no reverse racism NobodyHere Jun 2016 #128

I tend to frame things a little differently. backscatter712 Jun 2016 #129

The reverse of racism is inclusion. LaydeeBug Jun 2016 #132

Racial identity politics is a pholospphy built on a foundtion of jello jack_krass Jun 2016 #135

The system is racist. People are bigots. Iggo Jun 2016 #136