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Denzil_DC

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33. Well, they can't override the UK Supreme Court, as things stand.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 10:05 AM
Jun 2016

Laws are drawn up by lawyers. A non-lawyer politician may draft an initiative, but the need for precise wording and consideration of relationships to other legislation make it a specialized and complicated job. We spend a lot of money employing them to take care of these things at the highest level, and even then the legislation can be subject to wrangle and challenge, sometimes years after enactment. (One of the problems with the Thatcher and Blair years was those governments had supermajorities, so there wasn't enough scrutiny of legislation and some really bad laws got passed, but that's a political failing, not a constitutional one per se. Tell me the US, with its constitution, doesn't suffer from the same problem!)

I guess some future government could try to abolish the Supreme Court or make it somehow politically subservient to parliament again, but that's outlandish enough in real-world political terms to be not worth worrying about unless we had an armed coup and outright fascism. There's not a constitution in the world that can protect you against that!

That's as close to a sensible answer as I can give you, really.

What the article above is pointing out is that we're about to enter a shitstorm of uncharted territory in terms of legality and constitutionality. The settlement with Scotland's been cobbled together piecemeal over the years, for instance, and now it's coming back to bite the UK government in the ass. And that's without considering Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement etc. etc. Some of the case law that comes out of all this will eventually go toward clarifying our constitution and the limits of parliamentary power. That's how our system works.

Anyway, it didn't have to be like this. What an epic clusterfuck.

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Given some of the vicious anti-Scots xenophobia Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #6
Scotland elected 1 (out of 50) Conservative MP in 2015. If Scotland ever leaves, Conservatives will pampango Jun 2016 #2
The broader political problem in Scotland for the rest of the UK isn't that they don't elect Tories Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #3
Not necessarily. This is a myth. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #4
"Hello, Prime Minister Farage ..." How about, "Hello, President Trump"? A 'dynamic duo' pampango Jun 2016 #5
Who knows? Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #7
After the performance some of these... auntpurl Jun 2016 #32
Holy shit..."Hello, Prime Minister Farage...?" Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #12
"The white working class was persuaded to act from fear rather than in solidarity." That is scary to pampango Jun 2016 #14
Riveting and disquieting...this is what an unbridled gutter press Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #39
"subject to amendment on the fly whenever Parliament damn well pleases" longship Jun 2016 #8
No, the UK has a constitution (largely unwritten, but it still has one). Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #9
"Vested in Paliament" longship Jun 2016 #10
Nope! Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #11
Love your posts, Spider. But I have no choice but to disagree (respectfully). longship Jun 2016 #15
You're still wrong Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #16
I know about the Magna Carta and Common Law. longship Jun 2016 #20
"Common law" is not "enacted", it is the body of law derived from judicial decisions and precedent Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #21
King John "enacted" Magna Carta in the same sense Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #22
Indeed, he had no choice! longship Jun 2016 #26
Just wrong. There is law above parliament. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #13
I will look that up. longship Jun 2016 #17
Magna Carta, the Petition of Right, Human Rights Act, Bill of Rights 1688, etc Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #18
Legal scholars will say we do, Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #19
But if parliament can override it all, what good is it? longship Jun 2016 #23
We're going round in circles here. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #28
Wow! Thank you for this. longship Jun 2016 #31
Some people who voted on Thursday Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #24
It looks to be a very messy affair. That is for sure. longship Jun 2016 #29
Well, they can't override the UK Supreme Court, as things stand. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #33
Well, again, I have to thank you and Spider. longship Jun 2016 #35
I don't think it's in any way describable as ignorance, Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #36
I try to always honor my DU friendships. longship Jun 2016 #37
Who and how many are the justices on the Supreme Court, and how are they appointed, Denzil? Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #40
As far as a Scottish (or NI) 'veto' goes, others say it's not a veto, just withholding consent muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #25
In practise it may be the same thing Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #27
correct it will take about two years before UK is fully cut off from "Union", if UK ever starts Sunlei Jun 2016 #30
And, the Regrexit petition phenomenon is gaining pace: Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #34
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