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stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
42. of course, they all are, unlike you eh
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jun 2016

and you can't refute a claim I didn't make.

CONverts coming to their defense with insistence and an unbreakable focus on, the proximate cause for the vote results being predominantly the ugliness of white Christian on brown Muslim bigotry/racism, as opposed to their fingerprints being all over the EU murder weapon.


that "predominantly" was applied solely to the opinions conveyed by the "the islamophobes did it" crowd, and that's it. The ME warmongering issue impinges largely upon the immigration issue alone, and neither I, Pilger, nor Hudson think or have claimed that the immigration issue is the only neoliberal policy past or present

A Nineteenth Century contempt for countries and peoples, depending on their degree of colonial usefulness, remains a centerpiece of modern “globalization,” with its perverse socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor: its freedom for capital and denial of freedom to labor; its perfidious politicians and politicized civil servants.


in need of an indictment.

The neoliberal warmongering/nation building is inextricably intertwined with just about everything under the sun of the neoliberal world and Brexit sort, and your declarations about those two who seem to be making exactly that case in the tying of the immigration issue from the ME to the vote result

Is he lying here?

But the left wing was just as vocal, and the left wing was saying, why are these immigrants coming here? They’re coming here because of Europe’s support of NATO, and NATO’s war that’s bombing the near East, that is destabilizing the whole Near East, and causing a flight of refugees not only from Syria but also from Ukraine. In England, many of the so-called Polish plumbers that came years ago have now gone back to Poland, because that country’s recovered.



and are you denying this

The problem began in Libya. Once Hillary pushed Obama to destroy Libya and wipe out the stable government there, she wiped out the arms--and Libya was a very heavily armed country. She turned over the arms to ISIS, to Al-Nusra, and Al-Qaeda. And Al-Qaeda used these arms under U.S. organization to attack Syria and Iraq. Now, the Syrian population, the Iraqi population, have no choice but to either emigrate or get killed.


or insinuating that he's claiming that she deliberately and willfully gave them arms to make up with besmirchments what you lack in arguments? You're just disagreeing here, and not refuting a damn thing. That's exactly what happened with the arms and the cause for the exodus.

Hudson and Pilger both appear to be arguing that the ME warmongering served as the catalyst/cause for the immigration issue

HUDSON: It’s a combination. The right wing was, indeed, pushing the immigrant issue, saying wait a minute, they’re threatening our jobs. But the left wing was just as vocal, and the left wing was saying, why are these immigrants coming here? They’re coming here because of Europe’s support of NATO, and NATO’s war that’s bombing the near East, that is destabilizing the whole Near East, and causing a flight of refugees not only from Syria but also from Ukraine. In England, many of the so-called Polish plumbers that came years ago have now gone back to Poland, because that country’s recovered.

becoming the game changer in the vote. You appear to be arguing that the ME fiascos had no role at all of any discernable size or consequence.

Sorry, I'll go with the big boys and ignore the obscure internet warrior

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"Neoliberal tyranny" MohRokTah Jun 2016 #1
For sure neoliberalism banking explosion, due to lax regulations on financial instruments, applegrove Jun 2016 #2
I reject the notion such a thing as "neoliberalism" even exists. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #3
Oh my god. It is PNAC all over again.... the movement that dare not speaketh its name. applegrove Jun 2016 #4
Say what you like. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #7
neoliberalism has been used to describe an economic philosophy tk2kewl Jun 2016 #11
It has no meaning any longer. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #13
Maybe that's what you hear, but that's not what the OP is about tk2kewl Jun 2016 #16
they're using the same argument rightwingers do with the racism charge stupidicus Jun 2016 #19
hilarious ain't it stupidicus Jun 2016 #14
That's ok, your stances on these issues has the same effect on the rest of us. Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #53
oh come on now. You don't expect that to overcome emoticons, do you? stupidicus Jun 2016 #6
I know. Really. applegrove Jun 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #52
The EU should have been a little less authoritative toward Greece, instead they kicked Greece Rex Jun 2016 #5
indeed, this is as "Big picture" an issue stupidicus Jun 2016 #9
At least Cameron is done, stick a fork in him. Rex Jun 2016 #18
I think you're right about that stupidicus Jun 2016 #21
It must be Trump, he is like a stupid hurricane wherever he goes at distance Rex Jun 2016 #25
he's contagious stupidicus Jun 2016 #37
They are all done malaise Jun 2016 #51
k&r for Pilger nationalize the fed Jun 2016 #8
I'm sure he thanks you stupidicus Jun 2016 #12
yes 840high Jun 2016 #41
Your first sentence is highly disputable. The immigration is primarily from Eastern Europe muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #15
then by all means stupidicus Jun 2016 #17
No, it hasn't been about Muslims. Perhaps you saw the word 'immigrants' (and sometimes 'Trump') muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #22
no stupidicus Jun 2016 #28
It might well have had the same outcome without the Middle Eastern turmoil muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #34
which seems less than definitive stupidicus Jun 2016 #36
Hudson doesn't even live here. He's riding his own hobbyhorse far worse than Pilger muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #38
of course, they all are, unlike you eh stupidicus Jun 2016 #42
One of your 'big boys' is saying Hillary armed ISIS, and is attacking Obama muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #47
sorry, neolibs and and their apologists get no say stupidicus Jun 2016 #59
There are two groups the xenophobes in Britain hate auntpurl Jun 2016 #23
yep, I understand that stupidicus Jun 2016 #30
In psychological research, you don't do a straight interview auntpurl Jun 2016 #33
Some on the left have acquired some awfully strange bedfellows. nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #20
our side suffers from the same disease as those on the right stupidicus Jun 2016 #24
Like explaining water to a fish Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #26
Yep. LWolf Jun 2016 #58
"Neo liberalism" seems to have morphed into anyone sufrommich Jun 2016 #29
yep, that's the get around rightwingers use for the racism, etc charges stupidicus Jun 2016 #32
I'm a god-damned radical socialist and even I have been called a neo-liberal... Odin2005 Jun 2016 #48
John Oliver's 15 minute takedown of Brexit is not to be missed. Murdoch soppressed it... Hekate Jun 2016 #27
On that, Murdoch is not guilty muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #35
"The Brexit Rejection of Neoliberal Tyranny" ? Hardly! TubbersUK Jun 2016 #31
The Conservatives in the UK were working with Europe to try and get brilliant and comprehensive applegrove Jun 2016 #40
Well TubbersUK Jun 2016 #43
That headline would be my characterization of it. nt silvershadow Jun 2016 #39
Wow, I think you literally hit every square of the nouveau-gauche buzzword bingo card there Recursion Jun 2016 #44
+1 :-) JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #57
as opposed to what, a trump-worthy word pie like yours stupidicus Jun 2016 #62
EU is just big government. They made some unpopular decisions in the past 3 years so Britain left. craigmatic Jun 2016 #45
IF (a BIG IF) Brits voted Leave to reject Neoliberal Tyranny, they ain't seen nothing yet. Boris pampango Jun 2016 #46
A wacko website siding with literal Fascists against "neoliberal tyranny"... Odin2005 Jun 2016 #49
my my, hollow declarations about websites etc stupidicus Jun 2016 #60
The EU neoliberals are itching to make bad trade agreements for the UK. joshcryer Jun 2016 #50
I am so tired of the over use of the NEO prefix Her Sister Jun 2016 #54
your effort here certainly is stupidicus Jun 2016 #61
There is also what I like to call "post-shit!" Her Sister Jun 2016 #63
Oh, for God's sake! Britain is more neoliberal than the rest of the EU!!!!!!!!!!!! DetlefK Jun 2016 #55
What is the objective and peer-reviewed evidence that leads you to this faith-based premise? LanternWaste Jun 2016 #56
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