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In reply to the discussion: FL Attorney: Zimmerman legal team expected to request immunity hearing, could result in "game over" [View all]ckoeber
(40 posts)138. Several clarifications need to be made ...
On what you said:
What you call 'injuries to the head' were nothing more than minor scalp lacerations, requiring no, repeat ZERO, medical attention. You can spin this all you like, but the fact remains that GZ suffered a couple minor scrapes, while TM is dead.
He was treated on the scene by the Emergency Response team.
Here is what you are missing. George Zimmerman claims he acted to PREVENT serious harm, which is the essence of self-defense.
How long should someone wait until they can retaliate?
According to the girlfriend's account of her conversation, TM said he was being followed by some creepy guy. In other words, TM claimed he was being stalked\hunted by a stranger with no legitimate reason for so doing. Are you denying that GZ was stalking TM that night? If GZ was not 'stalking' TM, then what in the fuck was GZ doing WITH A LOADED HANDGUN???
There was no question that George Zimmerman initially followed Trayvon Martin. It is his claim that he stopped after a certain point (after the dispatcher said "We do not need you to do that"
As for the loaded gun, George Zimmerman has a conceal-and-carry permit. He was within legal bounds to have that gun on him and given the history of crime in the neighborhood no one would dispute why he had that gun in general.
I do see the possibility of a GZ plea (perhaps to manslaughter or negligent homicide) in return for a reduced sentence. But I see no way GZ can plausibly claim 'self defense' and expect that to fly, given what I know about the case currently.
The Prosecution is going to need a little biut more than what they have now to force George Zimmerman to take a plea deal. As it stands they don't have enough to dispute George Zimmerman's stance of self-defense.
However, and this is a big however, we have an adversarial justice system for a reason, one in which the state must prove its charges beyond a reasonable doubt before anyone is deprived of his or her liberty. GZ's defense team will probably try for a jury (assuming there's no plea) with one or more folks on it they can convince of 'reasonable doubt'.
Most cases like this boil down to the jury.
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FL Attorney: Zimmerman legal team expected to request immunity hearing, could result in "game over" [View all]
Amerigo Vespucci
Jun 2012
OP
Comments like these strike me as rather inflammatory and, quire frankly, ignorant
SaB2012
Jun 2012
#123
Zimmerman has to PROVE that when the 911 operator said "you don't need to do that..."
Amerigo Vespucci
Jun 2012
#13
I'll have to check out Sean Hannity's Website for the full list of Trayvon Martin GOP talking points
Amerigo Vespucci
Jun 2012
#22
Everything listed, 1-5, is unrelated to the event of the shooting but since you are going there.,,
FarPoint
Jun 2012
#23
Yeah, that's all been dragged over here before and most of it proven to be false.
yardwork
Jun 2012
#29
Doesn't matter--Zimmerman was TOLD by competent police authority to sit his ass down and wait for
MADem
Jun 2012
#28
Prove that George Zimmerman isn't a fucking liar who hid a passport for a quick getaway
MADem
Jun 2012
#60
The burden is on Zimmerman to provide the evidence and prove that he acted in
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#108
In any event, whatever the outcome, the trial or hearing will be a great solace
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#156
Zimmerman will have to show, I believe, that he reasonably believed that Trayvon
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#111
The fact that he ended up in front of Trayvon while his car was parked yards away.
vaberella
Jun 2012
#103
We do know one fact for certain - Trayvon Martin is dead and George Zimmerman killed him.
yardwork
Jun 2012
#31
It seems like folks are just convicting based on how they feel or how the situation looks.
ckoeber
Jun 2012
#49
Oh b.s. Zimmerman didn't have serious head injuries. If he had, they would have hospitalized him.
yardwork
Jun 2012
#70
No tearing--I asked you a simple question. You don't like to answer those, I notice. nt
MADem
Jun 2012
#94
The prosecution has a case. Trayvon Martin is dead, and Zimmerman killed him.
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#115
Yes. Strong points in Zimmerman's favor, but then Zimmerman's first call to
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#154
Remind me who I work for again, MADem, I need to collect my check for my evil work committed here nt
ckoeber
Jun 2012
#110
The prosecution "doesn't have much of a case"??? WTF have you been smoking?? How does Zimmerman
coalition_unwilling
Jun 2012
#127
What you call 'injuries to the head' were nothing more than minor scalp
coalition_unwilling
Jun 2012
#135
Your post demonstrates quite well one of the issues that has to be decided in court.
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#117
She shot in the direction of her attacker, where there were two children next to him.
vaberella
Jun 2012
#104
this has been the situation all along, despite some posters insistence that Zimmerman wouldn't have
magical thyme
Jun 2012
#131
This would be the freepers wet dream to see a murderer of an innocent black teen walk free.
Happydayz
Jun 2012
#158