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hack89

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139. You would get off scott free regardless of the law.

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:59 PM

Jun 2012

we don't convict people in America without actual proof beyond a reasonable doubt. SYG doesn't change that fact. Unless the prosecutor can produce evidence that undermines Zimmerman's story he should go free. He does not have to prove his innocence.

Now in this case the prosecutor seems to think she has an actual case so time will tell.

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FL Attorney: Zimmerman legal team expected to request immunity hearing, could result in "game over" [View all] Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 OP

...and Mr. Zimmerman will never get a restful night theaocp Jun 2012 #1

Or zeemike Jun 2012 #7

Or ArcticFox Jun 2012 #11

He's not old enough. zeemike Jun 2012 #44

Details details ArcticFox Jun 2012 #159

A Hispanic named Zimmerman in a neo-nazi camp? Seriously? Edweird Jun 2012 #121

I wouldn't have believed it either Lilyeye Jun 2012 #126

Just because they applaud his action doesn't mean they would accept him. Edweird Jun 2012 #128

As I pointed out below SaB2012 Jun 2012 #125

Game over? murielm99 Jun 2012 #2

Zimmerman would be MUCH BETTER OFF in prison. Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #3

Comments like these strike me as rather inflammatory and, quire frankly, ignorant SaB2012 Jun 2012 #123

Well.. Cave_Johnson Jun 2012 #130

I respect your opinion, but don't agree SaB2012 Jun 2012 #137

Only this time it won't be just L.A. KamaAina Jun 2012 #141

I agree, unfortunately. SaB2012 Jun 2012 #152

Are you prepared? FarPoint Jun 2012 #163

Judges don't live in a vacuum. MADem Jun 2012 #4

Good point, and... Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #6

Three lies. vaberella Jun 2012 #14

I missed that one... Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #15

that's where he really screwed up qazplm Jun 2012 #8

I don't think the defense cares of the reaction in the streets. Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #5

If Travon was discovered laying face down libodem Jun 2012 #9

I don't know. It would fit the Zimmerman statement. vaberella Jun 2012 #12

Martin was shot in the chest... Cave_Johnson Jun 2012 #46

He was shot in the chest. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #68

Given the realities of the situation Mairead Jun 2012 #10

Zimmerman has to PROVE that when the 911 operator said "you don't need to do that..." Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #13

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #16

Don't take this the wrong way, but "Be Careful, my ass!" MADem Jun 2012 #17

Hey, GZ had every right to protect his community from that dangerous kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #20

I swear, that is what I'm hearing from this, er, newcomer. MADem Jun 2012 #30

You weren't hearing things, I figured it was a troll. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #50

That seems to be how they really think Lilyeye Jun 2012 #129

Gosh, thank you for your concern!! Where would DU be without kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #19

nice list of talking points Kali Jun 2012 #21

I'll have to check out Sean Hannity's Website for the full list of Trayvon Martin GOP talking points Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #22

Everything listed, 1-5, is unrelated to the event of the shooting but since you are going there.,, FarPoint Jun 2012 #23

Gee--I've got a fight song for old George, then! MADem Jun 2012 #35

Yeah, that's all been dragged over here before and most of it proven to be false. yardwork Jun 2012 #29

Snopes is your friend. Gormy Cuss Jun 2012 #37

That couldn't have happened Nancy Waterman Jun 2012 #24

True. Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #25

Funny thing about our judicial system, Spoonman Jun 2012 #142

No shit sherlock. GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #18

Part of the procedure nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #26

So, let's say George Zimmerman lied about everything ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #27

Doesn't matter--Zimmerman was TOLD by competent police authority to sit his ass down and wait for MADem Jun 2012 #28

Actually ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #32

And what part of "We don't need you to do that" is unclear? MADem Jun 2012 #38

And there no possible was that another scenario took place? ckoeber Jun 2012 #39

You're trying--and failing--to play word games. MADem Jun 2012 #59

You sound so sure... ckoeber Jun 2012 #62

I think some are dealing with O'Reilly "facts" here. Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #72

Thanks ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #74

I am ENTIRELY sure. And even more so about your motives here. nt MADem Jun 2012 #77

Yet you can't produce the evidence to back up your certainty... ckoeber Jun 2012 #80

You can't produce any "evidence" either. You're just talking a load of crapola. MADem Jun 2012 #95

Right... ckoeber Jun 2012 #97

You support a judicial system where the burden of proof is on the defense? joeglow3 Jun 2012 #147

Where are you getting that crap? MADem Jun 2012 #148

The Dispatch Officer was speaking in layman's terms FarPoint Jun 2012 #45

Your making the same mistake ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #48

I'm not making any mistake or error. FarPoint Jun 2012 #52

Listen to yourself. ckoeber Jun 2012 #53

It's simple.... FarPoint Jun 2012 #55

Again... ckoeber Jun 2012 #56

Prove that George Zimmerman isn't a fucking liar who hid a passport for a quick getaway MADem Jun 2012 #60

So, you have no actual evidence that he followed Trayvon ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #61

You didn't respond to my post. You tried to redirect. Sorry, no sale. nt MADem Jun 2012 #78

I already answered... ckoeber Jun 2012 #82

The burden is on Zimmerman to provide the evidence and prove that he acted in JDPriestly Jun 2012 #108

I respect you opinion... ckoeber Jun 2012 #119

In any event, whatever the outcome, the trial or hearing will be a great solace JDPriestly Jun 2012 #156

Trayvon Martin's body was found well over a hundred feet from Zimmerman's car csziggy Jun 2012 #69

Good question... ckoeber Jun 2012 #75

On the SPD recording you can hear when Zimmerman leaves his car csziggy Jun 2012 #88

All good points... ckoeber Jun 2012 #92

Zimmerman will have to show, I believe, that he reasonably believed that Trayvon JDPriestly Jun 2012 #111

I'm certain the prosecutor would love to speak with you! Spoonman Jun 2012 #143

The fact that he ended up in front of Trayvon while his car was parked yards away. vaberella Jun 2012 #103

X-) Fla_Democrat Jun 2012 #41

We do know one fact for certain - Trayvon Martin is dead and George Zimmerman killed him. yardwork Jun 2012 #31

No question ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #33

IANAL Daalalou Jun 2012 #40

The real kicker ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #42

He's not walking to far at the moment... FarPoint Jun 2012 #47

It seems like folks are just convicting based on how they feel or how the situation looks. ckoeber Jun 2012 #49

Oh b.s. Zimmerman didn't have serious head injuries. If he had, they would have hospitalized him. yardwork Jun 2012 #70

Fair enough... ckoeber Jun 2012 #73

There is no evidence whatsoever that anybody was beating on Zimmerman. yardwork Jun 2012 #136

Easily received from getting out of the vehicle too quickly LanternWaste Jun 2012 #161

Did you join DU to get in on this thread? Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #63

No, but we can't stay focused, huh... ckoeber Jun 2012 #64

I think you should answer the 2nd question. MADem Jun 2012 #81

I asked two basic questions ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #84

Look--you're not the defense and I am not the prosecution. MADem Jun 2012 #85

At least an admission ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #87

You've been here before, haven't you? Your posting style is VERY familiar. nt MADem Jun 2012 #91

Your point is? ckoeber Jun 2012 #93

No tearing--I asked you a simple question. You don't like to answer those, I notice. nt MADem Jun 2012 #94

Questions such as who am I, what are my motives ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #96

No--just your previous screen name(s). nt MADem Jun 2012 #99

Tell you what ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #100

The prosecution has a case. Trayvon Martin is dead, and Zimmerman killed him. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #115

Ahhh.... ckoeber Jun 2012 #122

Yes. Strong points in Zimmerman's favor, but then Zimmerman's first call to JDPriestly Jun 2012 #154

Every time I ask that my post gets hidden :( Electric Monk Jun 2012 #105

Gotta know how to ask :) ckoeber Jun 2012 #106

The poster has admitted that s/he has been here before. nt MADem Jun 2012 #107

Yes, I am a secret spy... /sarc nt ckoeber Jun 2012 #109

Remind me who I work for again, MADem, I need to collect my check for my evil work committed here nt ckoeber Jun 2012 #110

The prosecution "doesn't have much of a case"??? WTF have you been smoking?? How does Zimmerman coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #127

He does have a self-defense case ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #133

What you call 'injuries to the head' were nothing more than minor scalp coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #135

Several clarifications need to be made ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #138

Speculation on your part- LanternWaste Jun 2012 #162

I would not say that Zimmerman did or did not act in self-defense. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #113

Hey, guess WHAT. Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #86

And I have not... ckoeber Jun 2012 #89

BULLSHIT. n/t Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #90

He absolutely did--his first post was here. MADem Jun 2012 #79

Oh, so we are now playing McCarthy, eh? ckoeber Jun 2012 #83

That's not an attack, it's a statement of fact. nt MADem Jun 2012 #98

That's it. I am evil. There. Now you can be happy... nt ckoeber Jun 2012 #101

I can at least say the answer to the first one is yes Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #134

"Nice" Democrat VOTER Spoonman Jun 2012 #144

'Democrat' VOTER retention eh? Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #149

Are you sure that the burden of proof is on the prosecutor? JDPriestly Jun 2012 #112

See the link ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #116

Oh look. Someone who signed up to DU to defend Zimmerman. morningfog Jun 2012 #51

Or rather ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #54

Your questions are not accurate. morningfog Jun 2012 #57

OK, and that's shaky at best ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #58

I see where you are coming from. morningfog Jun 2012 #66

True, it is more than zero (0) ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #67

Do you think that Zimmerman will testify? JDPriestly Jun 2012 #118

Yes... ckoeber Jun 2012 #120

Agreed. This could go either way. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #155

Your post demonstrates quite well one of the issues that has to be decided in court. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #117

100% agree... ckoeber Jun 2012 #124

here is what the prosecution can present juniorbonner Jun 2012 #160

Like the Wisconsin recall, righties will end up declaring "victory." michaelcobb Jun 2012 #34

He'd be hunted down for the rest of his life...maybe even the judge. Auntie Bush Jun 2012 #36

Why would the judge hunt him down? Fla_Democrat Jun 2012 #43

2 judges recused themselves before ctaylors6 Jun 2012 #145

So you can shoot someone, and claim self defense... killbotfactory Jun 2012 #65

You can only do that if you are not black, apparently. yardwork Jun 2012 #71

She shot in the direction of her attacker, where there were two children next to him. vaberella Jun 2012 #104

You would get off scott free regardless of the law. hack89 Jun 2012 #139

I agree except for immunity hearing. FL SYG law ctaylors6 Jun 2012 #150

It is going to be an interesting process hack89 Jun 2012 #151

There is no way any sane judge The Second Stone Jun 2012 #76

Judges interperet Laws and Juries Interperet actions. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #132

There are specific situations in the law where an aggressor hack89 Jun 2012 #140

the OP suggests that Florida law entitles the The Second Stone Jun 2012 #157

In Z's Case sarisataka Jun 2012 #102

Zimmerman's apologists always ignore Martin's girlfriend's testimony. shimonitanegi Jun 2012 #114

this has been the situation all along, despite some posters insistence that Zimmerman wouldn't have magical thyme Jun 2012 #131

Maybe he and Casey Anthony will hook up Horse with no Name Jun 2012 #146

I second that libodem Jun 2012 #153

This would be the freepers wet dream to see a murderer of an innocent black teen walk free. Happydayz Jun 2012 #158