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Gabi Hayes

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26. whoaaa there, boy! Carter was hamstrung from the getgo by his own PARTY, led
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 11:17 PM
Jun 2016

by Tip ONeill and Robert Byrd ambushed his, uhhh, progressive agenda even BEFORE he took office. I just posted about this recently, and am not in the mood to slog through it again

take the time, please, and see how misinformed you are about your assertion, and read this, an excerpt from Liberty Under Siege, by Walter Karp

just one thing, to show you how bad it was. in nominating Ted Sorensen, cold warrior compatriot/aid de camp to JFK, he ran afoul of the bi partisan committee for the present danger, an agglomeration of war mongering, profiteering maniacs in and out of government. the upshot of it was, that despite a filibuster proof senate majority, Carter was told in no uncertain terms NOT to dare bring his name up for the nomination. after being savaged in the liberal media for being soft on communism (!!!!) Carter withdrew, and the battle lines were drawn. he never learned how to play the game against congress (and his own Party!), failing to carry out his threat to go over their heads to the public.

it's all here:

Senator J. William Fulbright, in 1969 was frantically warning the Senate that "our government will soon become what it is already a long way toward becoming, an elective dictatorship."

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"I felt I was taking office at a time when Americans desired a return to first principles on the part of their government." The thought occurs to President-elect Jimmy Carter as he sifts, in his methodical way, through all the Inaugural addresses ever delivered. The awakened democracy is exacting, all too exacting, and has almost cost Carter the election. When independent voters began seeing the tribune of the people rushing around the country embracing Democratic Party leaders, they had deserted his banner almost en masse.

So the President-elect-a suspect tribune now-knows well enough what the great bulk of the American people expects of him: They want the democratic movement to go forward. What else is an outsider President for? The real question facing Carter, the terrible nightmarish question, is, 'What will the Democratic Congress allow him to do? Suppose party leaders in Congress give him no support at all? What then? "It was bad enough," says Hamilton Jordan, the President-elect's chief political aide, "that they didn't know him and had no stake in his candidacy, but to make matters worse, Carter had defeated their various darlings in the battles around the country" 'When Carter meets, post-election, with Democratic congressional leaders in Georgia, fear and hostility, fear masked as hostility, seem to roll off Carter in waves. "You'd sit at a meeting with Carter," Representative Morris Udall recalls some six months later, "and he felt the compulsion to remind you that he also had your constituents as his constituents and that he wouldn't hesitate to take Congress on .... It was almost like he felt a compulsion to do this, as though he felt it was inevitable, or looked forward to the conflict, or thought it was unavoidable."

"I can get to your constituents faster than you can by going on television," Carter reportedly warns the visiting party leaders. A dire threat indeed, an empty bluff, never to be carried out, but already necessary, or the first hostile shots have already been fired. Nine days after the election [1976]-Veterans' Day-the Committee on the Present Danger makes its first public appearance with a declaration of war against Carter's hopes for arms control and improved relations with the Soviet Union. "The principal threat to our nation, to world peace and to the cause of human freedom," goes the martial declaration, "is the Soviet drive for dominance based on an unprecedented military buildup"-in fact, a 3 percent average increase yearly since 1970, 2 percent since 1974, but America's "will"-and America's oligarchy can be strengthened only by "massive understandable challenge."

The committee members, it is said, form a "who's who of the Democratic Party establishment." Chairman and founder is Eugene Rostow, Lyndon Johnson's Under Secretary of State, head of the foreign-policy task force of the Coalition for a Democratic Majority, some twenty of whose members have become Present Dangerists. "We started over, but with the same people and the same ideas," explains Rostow. To discredit the democratic reforms in 1972; to discredit détente in 1976. The same "ideas" indeed: rule by the few, oligarchy restored, one way or another. Cochairman of the Present Danger is Lane Kirkland, secretary-treasurer of the AFL-CIO and "heir apparent" to its president, eighty-three-year-old George Meany; heir to the votes of 14.5 million powerless union members; heir to trade unionism's unswerving devotion to the Democratic machine and the endless Cold War; oligarchy revived, one way or another. Chief counsel of the Present Danger is Max Kampelman, once one of the chief political advisers to Hubert Humphrey, now gravely concerned, among other worries, over the excessive "power of the press." The nine-man executive committee includes Dean Rusk, Secretary of State under Kennedy and Johnson, one of the first American officials to argue that a President's authority as Commander-in-Chief of U.S. forces allows him to make war at will. What loathing of liberty burns in these hearts! 'What scant love of truth! Chairman of the committee's "policy studies" is Paul Nitze, former Deputy Secretary of Defense under Kennedy and Johnson, arms control negotiator for Nixon, who quit in "disgust" in June 1974, now a member of Team B, the tumorous appendix to the CIA. Nitze has lived for twenty-five years in an atmosphere of ever-present danger: principal author in 1950 of a momentous State Department warning to President Truman that unless the U.S. embarked at once on the largest military buildup in its peacetime history, the Soviet Union would launch its drive for world conquest around 1 956-Nitze's "year of maximum danger"; principal concocter of the fictitious "missile gap" in 1957; principal author in 1972 of the newest present-danger: Allied "perception" of Soviet nuclear superiority will bind them in terror to the Soviet will unless the U.S. demonstrates its "will and resolve" with a renewed race for nuclear supremacy.


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Walter_Karp/Reaction_Launched_LUS.html

much much more there

and, what do you know about his prescient, ground breaking (and torpedoed once again by his own party) energy speech?

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Ike in 1956 had a more progressive economic plank than Hillary today. leveymg Jun 2016 #1
they're way farther right of Nixon right now! Pharaoh Jun 2016 #38
If Nixon Were Alive Today, He Would Be Far Too Liberal to Get Even the Democratic Nomination Pharaoh Jun 2016 #40
I did not know that Noam Chomsky said that. FuzzyRabbit Jun 2016 #42
That was a great article! I agree with the final paragraph. CrispyQ Jun 2016 #80
While that sounds a bit crazy treestar Jun 2016 #67
The PTB have managed to brainwash/regress us to pre-New Deal days. merrily Jun 2016 #59
That sums it up perfectly +1000! hobbit709 Jun 2016 #64
Rachel sums it up well. bvar22 Jun 2016 #85
Well... Adrahil Jun 2016 #2
Yes. That platform lost by 49 states to 1. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #36
Hard to compare different eras in my opinion. PoliticalMalcontent Jun 2016 #41
The point is that the 1972 platform was off the scale in 1972. pnwmom Jun 2016 #44
I'm not so sure in today's era that PoliticalMalcontent Jun 2016 #45
The OP said that the 1972 platform was so progressive it would be off the scale TODAY. pnwmom Jun 2016 #46
My apologies. PoliticalMalcontent Jun 2016 #49
Not necessary -- but thanks! n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #54
I think it was more liberal then in many ways. I was there for it. :) nt Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #50
Perhaps so. :) Era of the hippies and all. PoliticalMalcontent Jun 2016 #51
It was not off the scale then, nor is it off the scale now. merrily Jun 2016 #58
Indefinitely? No... Adrahil Jun 2016 #63
No. For many reasons, a war time incumbent won, just as they always have in the US. merrily Jun 2016 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Jun 2016 #60
McGovern could have run to the right of Nixon and still would have lost. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #65
But he did run on that platform SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #95
And lost 520-17 scscholar Jun 2016 #3
Nixon had a strong economy and had brought an end to the war. It's not as simple as you want to make think Jun 2016 #6
Are you fucking kidding me - FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #19
"But as Andrew Gelman points out, Nixon also had the benefit of a strong economy." think Jun 2016 #20
Touche. ..Just ask Jimmy Carter about the mess he Lance Bass esquire Jun 2016 #30
Nixon's great economy? No, things were awful, he put in place a wage and price freeze HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #61
The peace treaty wasn't signed until after the 1972 election. 1939 Jun 2016 #83
Actually, Nixon war riding high because of racial bigots and hippie haters Warpy Jun 2016 #102
McGovern's landslide loss reversed the movement toward progressive policies andym Jun 2016 #14
whoaaa there, boy! Carter was hamstrung from the getgo by his own PARTY, led Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #26
Example: Carter really started government deregulation before Reagan andym Jun 2016 #33
And the dirty tricks campaign never happened? No rat fucking? No Watergate? Ford_Prefect Jun 2016 #28
As if. Please see Reply 56 in this thread and the thread to which Reply 56 links. Thank you. merrily Jun 2016 #57
Not me! I'd rather win with terrible ideas! arcane1 Jun 2016 #76
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! pokerfan Jun 2016 #94
A few yrs earlier Nixon had called for a guaranteed minnimum income loyalsister Jun 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Jun 2016 #5
welcome to the club! and just as the media ignored Watergate until after the election Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #11
Yeah, my first too. mountain grammy Jun 2016 #22
I don't remember any of that stuff, but I DO remember TheDebbieDee Jun 2016 #7
eagleton LIED HIS ASS off to McGovern when directly confronted with info on his Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #13
It was rejected in a major landslide victory for the Trick Dick. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #8
What a lame excuse for giving up on Democratic values. Nixon was president with a strong economy think Jun 2016 #12
And going too far to the left has ALWAYS lost at a national level MohRokTah Jun 2016 #15
"So if you want to lose, go left." Did you really just post that here? think Jun 2016 #21
Yes. I did. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #23
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #29
On the issues, the American people have long been more progressive than their government. leveymg Jun 2016 #66
That sort of polling is 100% irrelevant. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #68
100% irrelevant? Johnson and Carter were both way to the Left of Obama on economic issues. leveymg Jun 2016 #70
Now you're just re-writing history. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #71
What are the new Great Society programs? Any Mideast Peace initiatives, akin to Oslo Accord? leveymg Jun 2016 #72
FDR got elected 4 times. bvar22 Jun 2016 #87
Democrats won the House and the Senate in '72. N/T Chathamization Jun 2016 #27
Thank you for pointing out that very important fact nt vintx Jun 2016 #74
Oh how far America's come since 1972, right? HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #9
Great post! mountain grammy Jun 2016 #25
It should have been Bobby's second term. PSPS Jun 2016 #10
The world and America would probably look very different if RFK had survived andym Jun 2016 #17
Who is the "they"? former9thward Jun 2016 #91
I am proud to say I voted for George Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2016 #16
And they still haven't closed the loop holes that export jobs FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #18
Because that's a meaningless phrase, though it has polled well for 50 years Recursion Jun 2016 #32
'Abolishing capital punishment' Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #24
K&R! Thank you for this excellent post. Phlem Jun 2016 #31
Yes indeed. andym Jun 2016 #34
Which is why his chances would have been so dismal in the general. pnwmom Jun 2016 #39
I heartily disagree with your assessment based on a variety of factors. PoliticalMalcontent Jun 2016 #47
That candidate lost by 49 states mostly for other reasons andym Jun 2016 #48
Some like to compare Bernie with McGovern senz Jun 2016 #53
yes +1000 840high Jun 2016 #35
That platform was off the scale in 1972, also -- and our candidate lost in 49 states.n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #37
He didn't lose because of the platform. progressoid Jun 2016 #86
Almost everyone knew about the guaranteed income plan. That was a key element pnwmom Jun 2016 #90
Meh. Hadn't Nixon already proposed a variation of that a couple years earlier? progressoid Jun 2016 #92
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #43
A platform that got demolished in the general election The Second Stone Jun 2016 #52
men to that. eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #55
We gained two Senate seats. progressoid Jun 2016 #88
and this platform led to the greatest defeat of a democratic nominee beachbum bob Jun 2016 #62
Certainly better than wholly owned corporate one we have now. alarimer Jun 2016 #69
A thank you for all of our Third Way friends Uponthegears Jun 2016 #73
Exactly. alarimer Jun 2016 #75
+1,000 arcane1 Jun 2016 #84
Very well said. nm emordnilaP Jun 2016 #89
I remember it well. That platform was just one of the reasons Nixon won in a landslide. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #78
Me to. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #82
K&R Kurovski Jun 2016 #79
That's why I think Sanders played such a positive role andym Jun 2016 #96
That's the kind of platform I could support A Little Weird Jun 2016 #93
Times were very different then andym Jun 2016 #99
"McGovern lost because he's too liberal" forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #97
I never said that McGovern lost becase he was too liberal andym Jun 2016 #98
The country moved right for 2 reasons GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #100
How did the Democrats fare that year? liberal N proud Jun 2016 #101
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