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PatrickforO

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30. The Nation is quite right. So are economists Joseph Stiglitz and Robert Reich.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:06 AM
Jun 2016

So am I. I'm sorry but there is still controversy within our party on this issue. That controversy might not be considered acceptable here, but it is good for the party and good for the American people.

The ISDS provisions of TPP are the death knell of local, state and national democracies since they allow corporations to 'sue' governments if they think regulations, such as environmental or safety ones are inhibiting them earning the maximum profits. And then, the 'case' is adjudicated not by a public court, but by corporate-paid 'arbitrators,' and their decision is binding.

Sorry, the TPP is a piece of trash that will finish killing off the American middle class that made this nation great in the first place. It will cost hundreds of thousands of jobs, good ones that have benefits and that you can raise a family on.

If TPP is so great, then why was it negotiated in secret? Why were members of Congress allowed to only read it in a designated room and not allowed to even take notes? Why was a 'fast track' vote rammed down our throats to prevent filibuster and allow a straight up/down vote in Senate? (on edit) Why has there been no platform for public debate?

Sorry, but I'm NOT in consensus around 'free trade' and will never be. It is a disastrous, bad policy. An example? We don't have single payer healthcare even though the Dems had majorities in both Houses of Congress and the Presidency in 2009. We were told that there weren't enough votes, but that could have been changed by the President using the bully pulpit and calling for the millions who campaigned for him, including myself, to march on DC to pressure and shame the Congress into making it happen. Into making the right thing happen! You know why we don't have single payer?

It is against the strictures set forth in another 'free trade' treaty: the General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS) of 1995. That's right. Single payer would have created what GATS calls a 'service monopoly.' Of course, we COULD have negotiated a waiver with the other signatories on the grounds that health care is a basic right ENJOYED BY THE REST OF THE WORLD EXCEPT FOR US. Or we could have simply overturned GATS in favor of DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Free trade? Bad idea. Bad policy. We already HAD free movement of goods and services over borders. Free trade treaties are about moving capital. Again, bad idea. Bad policy.

Thus I agree with both Stiglitz and Reich. Check out Reich's short video polemic about TPP on You Tube: The ISDS provisions of TPP are the death knell of local, state and national democracies since they allow corporations to 'sue' governments if they think regulations, such as environmental or safety ones are inhibiting them earning the maximum profits. And then, the 'case' is adjudicated not by a public court, but by corporate-paid 'arbitrators,' and their decision is binding.

Sorry, the TPP is a piece of trash that will finish killing off the American middle class that made this nation great in the first place. It will cost hundreds of thousands of jobs, good ones that have benefits and that you can raise a family on.

If TPP is so great, then why was it negotiated in secret? Why were members of Congress allowed to only read it in a designated room and not allowed to even take notes? Why was a 'fast track' vote rammed down our throats to prevent filibuster and allow a straight up/down vote in Senate? (on edit) Why has there been no platform for public debate?

Sorry, but I'm NOT in consensus around 'free trade' and will never be. It is a disastrous, bad policy. An example? We don't have single payer healthcare even though the Dems had majorities in both Houses of Congress and the Presidency in 2009. We were told that there weren't enough votes, but that could have been changed by the President using the bully pulpit and calling for the millions who campaigned for him, including myself, to march on DC to pressure and shame the Congress into making it happen. Into making the right thing happen! You know why we don't have single payer?

It is against the strictures set forth in another 'free trade' treaty: the General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS) of 1995. That's right. Single payer would have created what GATS calls a 'service monopoly.' Of course, we COULD have negotiated a waiver with the other signatories on the grounds that health care is a basic right ENJOYED BY THE REST OF THE WORLD EXCEPT FOR US. Or we could have simply overturned GATS in favor of DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Free trade? Bad idea. Bad policy. We already HAD free movement of goods and services over borders. Free trade treaties are about moving capital. Again, bad idea. Bad policy.

Thus I agree with both Stiglitz and Reich as well as the Nation. Check out Reich's short video polemic about TPP on You Tube:

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Yes, the Democratic Party platform committee was going to take a swipe at the president of the US TwilightZone Jun 2016 #1
The policy is HORRIBLE for America. It wasn't supported by the House Democrats at all. Obama think Jun 2016 #2
The policy is BRILLIANT for America. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #8
It's corporate law written by corporations for corporations. The GOP loves it think Jun 2016 #11
It's a Democratic trade agreement proposed by a Democratic president. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #12
Again 190 Republican voted for it. Only 28 Democrats. The unions hate it as do envirnmentalists think Jun 2016 #20
Even blind squirrels find nuts MohRokTah Jun 2016 #23
I'll stick with the Nobel prize winning economist over your blind squirrel references thank you..... think Jun 2016 #24
I'll stick with my president over an economist with an extremist anti-trade agenda. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #25
Is calling a Nobel prize winning economist policy positions extremist suppose to impress people? think Jun 2016 #27
Going to through the UN under the bus too? U.N.’s Legal Expert Calls Proposed Trade Deals Illegal AntiBank Jun 2016 #45
It is nice to see critical thinking instead of blind support for what authority puts before one.nt Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #31
Correct, TPP is just another mega disaster Hafta trade deal as the evidence appalachiablue Jun 2016 #59
So why should those who are currently skeptics KPN Jun 2016 #22
Polls show that most Democrats do support it. Apparently pampango Jun 2016 #37
Polls? I'd like someone to explain to me how this agreement KPN Jun 2016 #39
This agreement may be no better. The polls show that Democrats think that it is, while pampango Jun 2016 #40
if you think that Democrats crafted the vast bulk of the TPP AntiBank Jun 2016 #43
190 Republicans voted for it, while only 28 Democrats voted for it... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #34
190 Republicans in the House voted for it. Only 28 Democrats in the House voted for it arcane1 Jun 2016 #53
TPP is bad. I can't 840high Jun 2016 #7
TPP is great. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #10
you also support NAFTA wholeheartedly? Ford_Prefect Jun 2016 #15
This may or may not open your eyes to the problems with this and previous trade agreements ciaobaby Jun 2016 #26
Lol.......... Pharaoh Jun 2016 #21
They chose to side with the republican-led congress that supports TPP arcane1 Jun 2016 #51
It gives Hillary wiggle room. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #3
Giving Hillary wiggle room is not wise IMHO. nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #48
Who gets to write the platform? SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #4
There was only 1 person running who was actually for the people. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #5
Yes we are. 840high Jun 2016 #6
We are. Completely. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2016 #9
Yup, and the people KMOD Jun 2016 #13
The stuff to get done is worrisome then. avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #16
If you are liberal minded it really shouldn't be. KMOD Jun 2016 #17
"The Democratic Party’s Draft Platform Doesn’t Oppose TPP ..." ... Jopin Klobe Jun 2016 #14
TPP ISDS process and the Democrats Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #18
+100 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #49
Bad policy, Bad politics...but..it pays well. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #19
Politicians dipping their beak in the big money trough yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #56
The party platform takes no position for or against. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #28
Yes, that was the point of the article. n/t ljm2002 Jun 2016 #35
it's designed that way to give Hillary political cover. Exilednight Jun 2016 #50
So then how many times in the past 50 years have the issue of trade deals been part of either cstanleytech Jun 2016 #29
The Nation is quite right. So are economists Joseph Stiglitz and Robert Reich. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #30
It's not very important to me that silence about a treaty might seem to be bad policy. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #32
"I prefer to leave that to the political experts." ljm2002 Jun 2016 #38
Hillary Clinton is not George W Bush. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #42
OFFS... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #44
I'm not blind. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #47
But your statement was that of a blind loyalist... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #58
I am not arrogant enough to pretend Tal Vez Jun 2016 #60
It appears Hillary's committee delegates know her actual stance on this issue. Scuba Jun 2016 #33
+10000! n/t ljm2002 Jun 2016 #36
+1, that's it in a nutshell. /nt Marr Jun 2016 #46
She'll support it, and half its opponents will pretend they loved it all along n/t arcane1 Jun 2016 #52
Your sigline is worth 1,000 recs. Scuba Jun 2016 #54
Thanks, and likewise arcane1 Jun 2016 #57
Sickening to see the same mistakes made over and over vintx Jun 2016 #41
why wouldn't they? we'll still not only vote for it by the millions, but rally our relatives and MisterP Jun 2016 #55
I'm very underwhelmed by the platform so far A Little Weird Jun 2016 #61
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