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nadinbrzezinski

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184. You doubt it...

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:56 PM

Jun 2012

well then, tell that to the Americans in 1859...

You doubt it... tell that to a few nation states in the recent past that indeed descend into a civil war.

And the USSR... guess what? Chechnya is still seeing quite a bit of lead flying.

You (and they) keep this demonization game all along. Cold civil wars, and this is one, can easily lead to a hot one.

And nobody said you need to be an apologist, but DEMONIZING other people and making them into the OTHER is a dangerous path you have chosen.

Hey, on the bright side, if we indeed move from this brush fire we are in (with a few moments of going hot for an instant) to a full on situation... I do have a way out... and will avail myself of it. You see here is the problem... if they are not with you, obviously they are against you... hence the enemy. Since I just called you on it, I am the other now.

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"Conservatives" are traitors. [View all] Cary Jun 2012 OP

Yep. Treasonous fucks that should be denied a voice. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #1

What does that mean, exactly? n/t RZM Jun 2012 #4

so who should have a voice? People who agree with holy you? cali Jun 2012 #6

The lady doth protest too much, methinks. n/t Cary Jun 2012 #9

what does that even mean, sweetie? cali Jun 2012 #10

If you have something of substance to say, why not say it? Cary Jun 2012 #35

I don't want to speak for her, but Tushon Jun 2012 #122

But I never said "treasonous fucks that should be denied a voice." Cary Jun 2012 #130

but treason is a crime... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #136

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #141

once again...you can find no instance of my supporting conservatives ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #150

Pfeh. n/t Cary Jun 2012 #172

excellent response...it's all you have. nt ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #179

That's all I have for you. Cary Jun 2012 #180

tut tut, you burst their bubble... dionysus Jun 2012 #189

These are simple questions RZM Jun 2012 #13

+100! Zalatix Jun 2012 #29

lol. cali Jun 2012 #32

You look silly sitting there laughing. Zalatix Jun 2012 #34

not as silly as you look, sweetums cali Jun 2012 #37

Translation: Cary Jun 2012 #39

uh no, dear. You might note that Zalitex (that does sound like some new anti-depressant) cali Jun 2012 #46

I have asked you serious questions. Cary Jun 2012 #52

uh, you've asked me not a single question, dear. not one. cali Jun 2012 #61

Now that you've accused me of lying, look at post #35. Cary Jun 2012 #64

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #69

"Disgusting, misleading, offensive and dim. Pathetic, really." Cary Jun 2012 #73

Excellent! underseasurveyor Jun 2012 #118

And anyone who disagrees with her. Zalatix Jun 2012 #77

Her attitude is unfortunate. Cary Jun 2012 #79

I'm not your sweetums, thanks very much. Zalatix Jun 2012 #81

Let's pick one of their arguments--austerity Cary Jun 2012 #38

You were confusing me until I got to this post. A Simple Game Jun 2012 #88

I have said a million times that I am referring to "conservatives", not conservatives Cary Jun 2012 #131

Well, that clears it all up, doesn't it. A Simple Game Jun 2012 #139

You give yourself way too much credit. Cary Jun 2012 #142

You don't want the company? n/t A Simple Game Jun 2012 #162

treasonous bastards should get the penalty deserved 2pooped2pop Jun 2012 #20

I suggest this most appropriate death penalty for Conservatives Zalatix Jun 2012 #28

we'll have to decide what island to sacrifice. 2pooped2pop Jun 2012 #66

Since they want to be king, I say we give them a crown... like in Game of Thrones. backscatter712 Jun 2012 #214

While I agree about the bad things "conservatives" do I have to strongly condemn this idea Cary Jun 2012 #132

those bad things have destroyed this country 2pooped2pop Jun 2012 #174

Treason in the sense that they have betrayed WE, THE PEOPLE, yes... Cary Jun 2012 #175

I disagree. Free Market, Anti-Woman Conservatives should be allowed a voice. Zalatix Jun 2012 #27

Maher went there last night: called their actions treason. bbgrunt Jun 2012 #2

good. About time someone calls it what it is. n/t 2pooped2pop Jun 2012 #67

Treason is a very harsh term Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #3

Yes, words matter. Cary Jun 2012 #7

Well, Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #56

I appreciate your point of view and call to civility Cary Jun 2012 #76

actually oldhippydude Jun 2012 #23

treason is a harsh word. It's exactly correct too. 2pooped2pop Jun 2012 #68

"Then the word will lose meaning." Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #71

Except there is no one here who misunderstands Cary Jun 2012 #80

You are entitled to your opinion Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #126

I understand but I think the disagreement here is a little different than you suggest Cary Jun 2012 #134

The disagreement is over the use of the terminology Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #145

Sherman you have made your point and unlike some others here you are not trolling Cary Jun 2012 #149

When they raise an army in rebellion against the government, then I'll call them traitors Rittermeister Jun 2012 #160

Oh bullshit. Zoeisright Jun 2012 #115

I find your response Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #125

What they are doing is harsh. Zoeisright Jun 2012 #114

I'm so tired of this overuse of the word traitor. cali Jun 2012 #5

I would not claim that my post rises to the level of a graduate thesis. Cary Jun 2012 #8

actually, it falls rather neatly into the purview of "grandiose proclamation". cali Jun 2012 #11

you post is exactly ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #21

Except that I gave reasons. Cary Jun 2012 #36

except the crap you posted is not treason ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #58

So you're saying that declaring my reasons to be "crap" is an argument? Cary Jun 2012 #60

facts are easy ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #62

Your "reasons" do not square with the classic definition of treason. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #94

Look up the definition. Cary Jun 2012 #97

i found this to be quite apropos... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #100

Except, once again, I posted my reasons Cary Jun 2012 #101

i object to your language and the inappropriate use of the term ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #103

Oh yeah, exactly the same... Cary Jun 2012 #106

it is only false because you believe it is ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #108

You did not turn my words. Cary Jun 2012 #111

i didn't need to turn your words ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #128

That's rich. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #117

Cary makes a point well ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #129

Let's put this in perspective... Cary Jun 2012 #133

Betrayers, Judases, saboteurs, backstabbers, Iagos... gulliver Jun 2012 #30

Okay but I wasn't trying to be technical or legalistic Cary Jun 2012 #45

Yep. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #70

You had me libodem Jun 2012 #12

Republicans are just misguided and emotion-dominated. gulliver Jun 2012 #14

I disagree; conservatives are not traitors. baldguy Jun 2012 #15

Wish I could rec this post, you nailed it. bluesbassman Jun 2012 #33

Good post but notice I used "conservatives" in quotes Cary Jun 2012 #43

Finally a sane voice and one that understands the political realities. A Simple Game Jun 2012 #90

Except that I have called for no one's death. Cary Jun 2012 #104

look up the penalty for treason against the United States... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #107

Nice straw man Cary Jun 2012 #109

yeah...a lawyer making specious arguments on a discussion board ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #137

Now I see, you meant "treason" when you said treason. A Simple Game Jun 2012 #140

That pesky little "aid and comfort to the enemy" belies your "it must be calling for death" meme nt LaydeeBug Jun 2012 #152

+++1,000,000 nanabugg Jun 2012 #92

+ a gazillion. chervilant Jun 2012 #161

Then the SELF PROCLAIMED conservatives are commiting treason, there...is that a better way uponit7771 Jun 2012 #176

I consider anyone who disagrees with me a traitor. hughee99 Jun 2012 #178

If you do everything in your power to make America fail sorefeet Jun 2012 #16

this is absolutely the same steaming heap of dog shit that the wingnuts cali Jun 2012 #18

So that's your only justification here? Cary Jun 2012 #47

Back in WW2 we fought the Fascists and we thought we destroyed them. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #17

they are quickly becoming the most confused ideology iamthebandfanman Jun 2012 #19

I don't think they're confused. Cary Jun 2012 #48

I think a lot of people... greytdemocrat Jun 2012 #22

There are two kinds of destructive conservatives... I hate liars Jun 2012 #24

Can you throw in "ilk", "sociopath", "vile" and maybe an awkward contraction or two? Iggo Jun 2012 #25

Iggo, the subject interests me. Cary Jun 2012 #49

It's the hyperbole, sir. Iggo Jun 2012 #83

Actually I think you're missing the point. Cary Jun 2012 #112

No. You're missing my point. Iggo Jun 2012 #148

Is censorship a liberal thing? I doubt it. Gregorian Jun 2012 #26

Traitors? quaker bill Jun 2012 #31

As has been said many times xfundy Jun 2012 #40

.... Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #41

And "multi-national corporations" jonthebru Jun 2012 #42

Clearly. Can you explain to me why some good liberals are falling all over themselves to defend Cary Jun 2012 #98

Their ilk were the Tories during the American Revolution. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #44

But why stop there? Cary Jun 2012 #50

I agree. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #54

But let's try their counter-argument Cary Jun 2012 #57

It's also bolstered by sheer hate. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #63

Clearly the Ayn Rand philosophy offers the perfect cover for hate. Cary Jun 2012 #65

Calling people traitors is a very dangerous thing to do, I know because (R)s said I was one just1voice Jun 2012 #51

I understand, but do you see that you may be contradicting yourself? Cary Jun 2012 #53

Go ahead and argue with yourself just1voice Jun 2012 #55

You're skipping at least one step here. Cary Jun 2012 #59

If you truly believe that then you must support using any means to stop them 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #72

Let's examine all of the steps that you skip over for no good reason. Cary Jun 2012 #74

Your lincoln analogy makes no sense 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #75

Which part of "I am no Lincoln" do you not understand? Cary Jun 2012 #78

Weird. Now you're trying to argue that Lincoln wasn't a powerful leader during the Civil War 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #85

Deflecting; perfect word in this circumstance. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #89

"But if someone else were to ... you'd be ok with it." Cary Jun 2012 #93

Then you tolerate traitors within your nation 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #151

Consider this: a far rightwing blog 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #153

No, IMO OP means that they will use any means to get what they want treestar Jun 2012 #155

It's funny the way you phrased that 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #157

I don't think anyone is advocating any death camps treestar Jun 2012 #158

Flip this around 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #159

Come on, people. This entire thread is embarrassing. Quantess Jun 2012 #82

Conservative voters believe they should pay less taxes and start more wars, that's just crazy. Herlong Jun 2012 #84

Constitutional treason is defined as giving aid and comfort to an enemy. Special Prosciuto Jun 2012 #86

But this isn't a court and I am not accusing them of a crime, per se. Cary Jun 2012 #96

I think they would rather the whole ship sink, than zentrum Jun 2012 #87

Also, Conservatives are not traitors Herlong Jun 2012 #91

So then you're prepared to offer a redeeming quality of their ideology? Cary Jun 2012 #95

On a dare, yes. Herlong Jun 2012 #99

I have interacted with radical, extreme "conservatives" Cary Jun 2012 #102

Not to sound too sacrosanct Herlong Jun 2012 #105

I am betting I have been in a few places with hard core conservatives nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #116

I doubt it. Cary Jun 2012 #181

You doubt it... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #184

Americans in 1859... Cary Jun 2012 #185

A better grasp of history nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #187

Education is a wonderful thing. Cary Jun 2012 #191

Even MORE hysterical nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #193

Ah, but I am a long standing member here. Cary Jun 2012 #194

a little over a month is longstanding??? ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #205

Read post 206 and weep. n/t Cary Jun 2012 #207

And Thom Hartmann too has an education, and right now he is doing a whole segment Cary Jun 2012 #195

You must listen to a different show nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #199

I am listening to today's show on WCPT Cary Jun 2012 #200

You confuse not falling into the mentality of the other nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #201

No confusion. Cary Jun 2012 #202

Well if you are that confused nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #208

Promise? n/t Cary Jun 2012 #210

as much as you and I have disagreed ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #203

That is the date of my reinstatement. Cary Jun 2012 #206

wow...had to be reinstated...nice ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #212

This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Jun 2012 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Jun 2012 #217

Words have meanings nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #110

Yes they are. And apparently they're going to ruin the country and the world Zoeisright Jun 2012 #113

Yup. We're too busy wringing our hands about calling them traitors. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #119

Ah, the irony. Cary Jun 2012 #146

Agreed. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #156

I disagree strongly with calling people traitors The Second Stone Jun 2012 #120

Thankfully, that's only your opinion - lynne Jun 2012 #121

"you are them" ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #127

Then we agree that your apologetics for "conservatives" are a waste of time Cary Jun 2012 #135

ah...from name calling to 'shaming' me ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #138

You have a lot of issues. Cary Jun 2012 #143

now I need professional help? your argument seems to have devolved ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #154

You aren't worth the effort. n/t Cary Jun 2012 #177

I appreciate the effort you put into it hfojvt Jun 2012 #164

All American citizens are traitors and should be shot on sight jeanV Jun 2012 #123

. Iggo Jun 2012 #170

Stupid thread of the week. The OP has crafted a false dilemma. Flatulo Jun 2012 #124

We are dealing with traitors...WHO THINK THEY'RE PATRIOTIC! nt LaydeeBug Jun 2012 #144

Traitors papa3times Jun 2012 #147

"liberals" are morons and hypocrites and hateful hfojvt Jun 2012 #163

I wish I could agree with you. Cary Jun 2012 #211

Bill Maher uses the t-word in referring to Congressional Republicans. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #165

Ayn Rand was libertarian, not conservative or Rebublican. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #166

Oh please Cary Jun 2012 #167

Feudalism aka American Capitalism amerciti001 Jun 2012 #168

You get it! Cary Jun 2012 #171

Their goal is to make Obama a one B Calm Jun 2012 #169

Certainly the politicians had that goal and they were willing to put their interests above Cary Jun 2012 #173

They are the SAME GROUP who were The Tories during the Revolutionary War librechik Jun 2012 #182

Yep. Cary Jun 2012 #186

This OP is a prime example of why we need to have unrec back. NYC Liberal Jun 2012 #183

What about Conservative Democrats such as Ben Nelson? Are they traitors too ? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #188

What do you think? Cary Jun 2012 #190

So you should have titled your post "The extreme, radical right are traitors" Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #197

Why? Cary Jun 2012 #198

Because when you responded to me you immediately backtracked from "conservatives" to Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #204

I have been using the term "conservatives" for at least 5 years. Cary Jun 2012 #209

Opening words of Thom Hartmann right now... Cary Jun 2012 #192

What do you do when a group of Republicans meet in order to conspire ... Cary Jun 2012 #196

Unrec. nt NCTraveler Jun 2012 #213

Rec B Calm Jun 2012 #215

semantics ThomasP Jun 2012 #216