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Ford_Prefect

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19. It's the old story that the Air Force feels it shouldn't be in the close ground support role.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jun 2016

They go through this dance every other decade or so. In this case "Some One" thought the planes were outdated and should be got rid of...until the Army realized ISIS, Yemen and other recent, relatively low tech war scenarios required exactly this kind of plane. The Air Force seems to be more concerned, as it was during the cold war, with high tech, high speed aircraft.

Regardless of your views about warfare as such the cost is radically much less expensive per hour to fly the A-10, or a plane like it, to do that job than an F-35 or F-15, or helicopters, to do the same work. It is a role that of necessity existed in every conflict we have engaged in since WWI. No matter how many machines are involved in so-called modern warfare at some point you still must have troops on the ground and they will need close support from the air to encounter and help remove opposing forces, their armor and artillery in the field.

It also now seems that A-10s may be an attractive naval patrol aircraft for deterrence in places like the South China Sea. The Philippine Government recently made an attractive offer for all the soon-to-be-retired A-10 aircraft, until Congress decreed they may not be sold, presumably to help defend against Chinese encroachment in the Spratly Islands area.

I have no doubt that AFRICOM may need them soon as well. Drones cannot fly close support or carry the same loads for the same duration.

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Of course in simulations is the only way the F-35 performs to specs. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #1
Well, it's not as if it's seen any action yet, so how could it be otherwise? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #2
It doesn't even fly according to specs. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #3
Exactly. nt. Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #5
Nailed it. brush Jun 2016 #6
I bet the MIC lobbyists... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #7
$100 million per plane, roughly. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #10
Most of those in the military... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #4
Well, as per Wikipedia it goes into full productin in a couple of years. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #8
Well, yes, but... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #11
Not saying that deployment equals a good weapons platform, just pointing out that we appear to be Just reading posts Jun 2016 #13
Ahh ok. Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #14
Just curious... did you fly fighters, Close Air Support, or some other military aircraft? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #15
As if! Ford_Prefect Jun 2016 #9
Bingo. Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #12
The old joke goes that a Cub Scout with a sling shot could knock one down. Ford_Prefect Jun 2016 #16
why, exactly, did they 'retire' the warthog? Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #18
It's the old story that the Air Force feels it shouldn't be in the close ground support role. Ford_Prefect Jun 2016 #19
None of the F35s were shot down. They asphyxiated their pilots and crashed before it could happen. Oneironaut Jun 2016 #17
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