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True Earthling

(832 posts)
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:09 AM Jun 2016

Democracy can be dangerous..37% decided Brexit on behalf of the majority [View all]

In the Brexit vote, a minority of 37% of the population (52% of 72% voter turnout) have made a monumentally important decision on behalf of the majority via an unchecked process. Make no mistake – this is not democracy working for the people. This is democracy exposing why it can be a dangerous system.

Authoritarian attitudes were highly predictive of Brexit vote... for example, those that believe that sex criminals should be publicly whipped are also very likely to support Brexit....

http://www.fabians.org.uk/brexit-voters-not-the-left-behind/

culture and personality, not material circumstances, separate Leave and Remain voters. This is not a class conflict so much as a values divide that cuts across lines of age, income, education and even party...the probability of voting Brexit rises from around 20 per cent for those most opposed to the death penalty to 70 per cent for those most in favour. Wealthy people who back capital punishment back Brexit. Poor folk who oppose the death penalty support Remain.



http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”. One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.” Just over one in eight (13%) said remaining would mean having no choice “about how the EU expanded its membership or its powers in the years ahead.” Only just over one in twenty (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.”

For remain voters, the single most important reason for their decision was that “the risks of voting to leave the EU looked too great when it came to things like the economy, jobs and prices” (43%). Just over three in ten (31%) reasoned that remaining would mean the UK having “the best of both worlds”, having access to the EU single market without Schengen or the euro. Just under one in five (17%) said their main reason was that the UK would “become more isolated from its friends and neighbours”, and fewer than one in ten (9%) said it was “a strong attachment to the EU and its shared history, culture and traditions.”


https://www.facebook.com/benjaminblaine/posts/10153470938266707?pnref=story
So, let me get this straight... the leader of the opposition campaigned to stay but secretly wanted to leave, so his party held a non-binding vote to shame him into resigning so someone else could lead the campaign to ignore the result of the non-binding referendum which many people now think was just angry people trying to shame politicians into seeing they'd all done nothing to help them.

Meanwhile, the man who campaigned to leave because he hoped losing would help him win the leadership of his party, accidentally won and ruined any chance of leading because the man who thought he couldn't lose, did - but resigned before actually doing the thing the vote had been about. The man who'd always thought he'd lead next, campaigned so badly that everyone thought he was lying when he said the economy would crash - and he was, but it did, but he's not resigned, but, like the man who lost and the man who won, also now can't become leader. Which means the woman who quietly campaigned to stay but always said she wanted to leave is likely to become leader instead.

Which means she holds the same view as the leader of the opposition but for opposite reasons, but her party's view of this view is the opposite of the opposition's. And the opposition aren't yet opposing anything because the leader isn't listening to his party, who aren't listening to the country, who aren't listening to experts or possibly paying that much attention at all. However, none of their opponents actually want to be the one to do the thing that the vote was about, so there's not yet anything actually on the table to oppose anyway. And if no one ever does do the thing that most people asked them to do, it will be undemocratic and if any one ever does do it, it will be awful.

Clear?

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"via an unchecked process.". - It's not an "unchecked process", it's not even binding. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #1
Autocratic, oligarchic, and corporate rule can all be dangerous too, bemildred Jun 2016 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #3
All democracies should make it mandatory to vote world wide wally Jun 2016 #4
I disagree. Anyone who has to be forced to vote is someone I don't want voting. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #6
They do it in Australia and it seems to work out fine world wide wally Jun 2016 #7
That's a horrible idea. Throd Jun 2016 #9
And if they don't, what do you do? Igel Jun 2016 #12
To what absolute and unequivocal end? LanternWaste Jun 2016 #13
Older, more conservative voters tend to vote more than younger, more liberal ones. In close pampango Jun 2016 #5
At least Cameron is done, stick a fork in him. Rex Jun 2016 #8
No one told the other 28% they couldn't vote. Takket Jun 2016 #10
Brexit is a horrible example of a majority of voters overall imposing their collective will BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #34
I wonder what the % be of people who vote in the general election will be? Katashi_itto Jun 2016 #11
Somewhere between 50 to 60 percent of eligible voters. Exilednight Jun 2016 #30
and hobbit709 Jun 2016 #14
So 30% decided that either way was ok Bad Thoughts Jun 2016 #15
NC amended its constitution in May 2012 to forbid gay marriage: struggle4progress Jun 2016 #16
This should be blamed on those who chose not to vote Bettie Jun 2016 #20
Our GOP legislature fixed the constitutional amendment vote for a primary struggle4progress Jun 2016 #22
That sucks and a vote like that should have been done in a "bigger" election Bettie Jun 2016 #28
when "your side loses" it is automatically not democratic lol nt msongs Jun 2016 #17
True. It was democratic. Sometimes conservatives win for all kinds of reasons. Liberals need to pampango Jun 2016 #21
So, what is the answer Bettie Jun 2016 #19
Another case of the majority of the minority making decisions for 100%. no_hypocrisy Jun 2016 #23
Those who didn't bother to vote can't really complain about the outcome Press Virginia Jun 2016 #27
The answer is quite simple Bettie Jun 2016 #29
You have an odd notion of democracy FBaggins Jun 2016 #24
Democracy sucks ripcord Jun 2016 #25
Isn't this the same ridiculous argument we heard about Bill Clinton's electoral wins? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #26
Electing a person does not change immigration or economic policy... True Earthling Jun 2016 #31
actually it kind of does Press Virginia Jun 2016 #33
The argument is govt by referendum vs. govt by elected officials True Earthling Jun 2016 #37
Was that a Monty Python skit? WDIM Jun 2016 #32
Democracies work best when ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #35
OFFS... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #36
Wow. Haven't read anything this elitist since Republicans tried to say Bill Clinton's victory wasn't WinkyDink Jun 2016 #38
I've always supported requiring a person to vote to receive tax deductions or welfare Sam_Fields Jun 2016 #39
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