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bvar22

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29. The USA destroyed Iraq, a secular nation where Christians, Shiites,

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 06:02 PM

Jun 2016

and Sunni lived next door in peace.

The USA destroyed the most advanced nation in North Africa with the highest standard of living. Women could own and sell property, could wear blue jeans and make-up, go to clubs escorted, could own and drive cars, could have their own money, could attend the University, and many more rights....but not anymore!

Libya was an example for the backwards countries North Africa, but
not after we "helped" them with our Freedom Bombs. After we killed Gaddafi, the radicals took over (predictable), and imposed Sharia Law.
This billboard appeared all over Libya dictating how women must now dress:

One of the predicable results of Shock & Awing a country to pieces and killing/maiming half the population, men, women and children in the most horrible ways possible is that it radicalizes not only the survivors of the target country, but it also radicalizes the neighboring countries too.
This is PREDICTABLE.
Blowback is also predictable.
The two can not be separated.

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No one calls these attacks "blowback" [View all] SHRED Jun 2016 OP

If a Christians kills an abortionist, it is attributed to the killer's "radical Christianity?" merrily Jun 2016 #1

I submit that "radical Islam" is a symptom SHRED Jun 2016 #2

No, it is a late 18h century doctrine elljay Jun 2016 #4

These facts are too-often overlooked by the Left. Nicely summarized. nt appal_jack Jun 2016 #6

Well said. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #10

You also just effectively described dbackjon Jun 2016 #12

Yes elljay Jun 2016 #13

Bingo. n/t Aerows Jul 2016 #54

Sorry... TipTok Jul 2016 #59

I don't believe that comparison works Orrex Jun 2016 #22

+1,000 malaise Jun 2016 #24

The point is whether a violent act is labeled with the religion of the violent actor. merrily Jul 2016 #36

I don't see that as the point Orrex Jul 2016 #37

It was my point. merrily Jul 2016 #38

Sorry... My phone doesn't show the posters in the whole thread-view Orrex Jul 2016 #39

Reply 1 was inaccurate? um, ok. nt merrily Jul 2016 #40

well, no. Orrex Jul 2016 #48

um, ok nt merrily Jul 2016 #56

All I know is if somethings not done it will be a way of life for everyone yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #3

Oceania billhicks76 Jun 2016 #5

Precisely malaise Jun 2016 #7

Or not. Bonx Jul 2016 #41

Turkey was a US based Junta for decades... joshcryer Jun 2016 #8

Making excuses for terrorists is what's sick. pintobean Jun 2016 #9

I had a similar thought. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #11

Yes gratuitous Jun 2016 #15

I would be totally sympathetic to Iraqis calling us terrorists. I would even say they'd be Coventina Jun 2016 #16

My understanding is that the good folks in Islamic State that we're arming so efficiently gratuitous Jun 2016 #17

I am firmly in favor of bringing war-crimes charges against Bushco. Coventina Jun 2016 #18

Viceroy L. Paul Bremer arbitrarily disbanded, i.e. fired, the entire KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #58

Right... SHRED Jun 2016 #19

to dismiss analysis as making excuses is to perpetuate a horrible status quo unblock Jun 2016 #26

As a poster below said pintobean Jun 2016 #27

people aren't always aware of what motivates them. unblock Jun 2016 #31

Why don't you tell the OP about dismissive ridicule. pintobean Jun 2016 #33

guess you're right. we're saints and nothing we ever did could possibly have anything to do with it unblock Jun 2016 #35

Screw that. If all they did was attack Western powers, I'd buy it. But a doctrine that represses Coventina Jun 2016 #14

The USA destroyed Iraq, a secular nation where Christians, Shiites, bvar22 Jun 2016 #29

Yep, because after we "shocked & awed" Japan, they started killing their LGBTQ too! Coventina Jul 2016 #42

We stuck around in Japan and rebuilt the country jack_krass Jul 2016 #57

Vietnam was also a failed intervention. But they don't have public stoning or beheading. Coventina Jul 2016 #63

I was wondering when I'd see the first Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #20

I don't get it SHRED Jun 2016 #21

They don't want to get it malaise Jun 2016 #25

I swear, this is the left's version of 'guns don't kill people'. Marr Jun 2016 #23

Any excuse to attack the Left. Calling ISIS terror blowback isn't an effort to excuse it. leveymg Jun 2016 #28

I don't tend to 'attack the left', because I'm very much on the left. Marr Jun 2016 #30

You seem to believe Muslims are a monolith. They've been divided among themselves leveymg Jun 2016 #34

And you seem to believe they're all little children. Marr Jul 2016 #45

No, I believe they, like us, have some whose power, prestige, wealth are based on war & destruction leveymg Jul 2016 #46

I never called for a 'clash of civilizations'-- just an honest appraisal of why the killers kill. Marr Jul 2016 #50

They are like us. No better or worse. Just at a different step along the same path leveymg Jul 2016 #52

There's a reason the Islamic world hasn't gone through an Enlightment period. Marr Jul 2016 #53

... trotsky Jul 2016 #44

This post says it all. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #62

Chalmers Johnson on Blowback (this lecture is pre 9-11, btw) AntiBank Jun 2016 #32

What did Turkey do to be attacked? n/t trotsky Jul 2016 #43

Stopped letting ISIS use their country as a conduit to Europe NT Ex Lurker Jul 2016 #60

Well how dare they! trotsky Jul 2016 #64

So how do you explain leftynyc Jul 2016 #47

Gotta wonder what Bangladesh did to the poor terrorists pintobean Jul 2016 #49

But then they lose the moral high ground or victim status treestar Jul 2016 #51

Fuckin' A. You nailed that. JEB Jul 2016 #55

Some of the things we've done in the ME have allowed ISIS and kindred groups to fester Ex Lurker Jul 2016 #61

Change needs to come from within Calculating Jul 2016 #65