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Eleanors38

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121. You may recall: "More guns = more crime" was and is the mantra of controllers...

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 10:53 AM

Jul 2016

and has been for many years. The piss-poor logic being more guns in circulation will somehow mean crime will go up. That was the standard set by controllers.

The number of gun-owners has remained rather constant by most polling, with some indication that the number is rising, over the last several years. More salient are some of the theories for Falling Crime put forth by the Freakonomics guys: Legalized abortion has cut back on populations which theretofore were associated with crime, aging populations, far better tracking of violence-prone criminals who are released and subsequent long sentences which keep them out of the population, etc. Frankly I agree with the CDC when it said that no gun-intervention strategy has shown itself effective in lowering crime/gun violence, and this includes John Lott's notion that more guns = less crime.

You may be interested in the Gallup survey which showed the fastest-rising demographics in gun ownership were women and self-described Democrats, while Republicans remained constant.

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The well-regulated militia. [View all] kpete Jun 2016 OP

They left out the "responsible gun owner" with the three-year-old who keeps his gun under his pillow Squinch Jun 2016 #1

That would not be responsible Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #2

It's a start, but the "responsible gun owner" who keeps his gun under his pillow, who doesn't Squinch Jun 2016 #3

Then please don't lie and say Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #5

OK then, I won't. And every "responsible gun owner" is "responsible" until he is not. Squinch Jun 2016 #9

No, we are for actual firearms safety that works Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #10

You make me laugh. Squinch Jun 2016 #13

You've got it backwards. Straw Man Jul 2016 #117

Do reread my post and if you care to, respond to it and not the argument in your head. Squinch Jul 2016 #122

I read your post -- once was enough. Straw Man Jul 2016 #127

Eddie Eagle? The joke that requires more paperwork than buying a gun? OK. Thor_MN Jul 2016 #119

I had not been familiar with "Eddie Eagle" but somehow knew that it would turn out to Squinch Jul 2016 #123

Dunning Kruger and craziness dictate that you can't know when you're MillennialDem Jun 2016 #8

What is " age appropriate firearms safety.?" pangaia Jun 2016 #12

Self explanatory Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #16

I would prefer putting the money into music programs. pangaia Jun 2016 #23

That's your choice Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #24

I still prefer the money only be spent on music for kids. pangaia Jun 2016 #25

Some issues are more equal than others? Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #106

Problem with projectchildsafe is the assumption of maturity of the child. haele Jun 2016 #83

Do some research Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #84

Excuse me, but that was not the program you were describing on your post. haele Jun 2016 #88

Yet, childhood gun accident deaths have fallen drastically... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #105

Nancy Reagan wasn't three years old. Hoppy Jun 2016 #43

The eagle flies at midnight. Squinch Jun 2016 #58

Google Nancy Reagan in White House with pistol Hoppy Jun 2016 #73

No thanks. If you want to say something about Nancy Reagan then say it. Squinch Jun 2016 #81

And the solution to gun violence is to have more guns and more violence. baldguy Jun 2016 #4

I have to believe MillennialDem Jun 2016 #21

That's about the size of it. Look at the arguments opposing reasonable gun restrictions. baldguy Jun 2016 #22

Except gun violence has been falling for 20 years hack89 Jun 2016 #27

By your logic that means guns are no longer necessary. baldguy Jun 2016 #28

There is no direct link between number of guns and rates of gun violence hack89 Jun 2016 #29

Which of course is a RW NRA lie. baldguy Jun 2016 #30

Are you saying gun violence hasn't fallen nation wide? hack89 Jun 2016 #31

A lot of states with high suicide rates skewing that chart hack89 Jun 2016 #32

Are you trying to argue that suicides aren't violent, or that they somehow don't matter? baldguy Jun 2016 #33

Did suicide rates increase as gun ownership increased? hack89 Jun 2016 #38

Suicides are part of the public health gun problem, whether you and the NRA like it or not pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #39

And the topic we are discussing is whether gun deaths increased hack89 Jun 2016 #40

Why do you count only gun deaths but not injuries? pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #48

Ok. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #51

Well, that was educational. nt pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #52

Too much anger. hack89 Jun 2016 #53

You call that anger? pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #54

You and I most likely agree on most gun control proposals hack89 Jun 2016 #55

Not always. easttexaslefty Jun 2016 #86

So perhaps a waiting period at purchase. hack89 Jun 2016 #87

Yes baldguy Jun 2016 #41

So now showed the rates from 20 years ago hack89 Jun 2016 #45

The goalposts you moved have been addressed. baldguy Jun 2016 #49

" More guns and more violence " hack89 Jun 2016 #50

Reading comprehension is a skill that produces endless dividends. Perhaps you should cultivate it. baldguy Jun 2016 #59

The NRA does not say we need more violence. I think you just made that up. hack89 Jun 2016 #60

You fail to acknowledge that the crack wars of the 80's and early 90's Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #64

But don't we have many more guns now than we did in 1990? hack89 Jun 2016 #66

More guns does equal more gun violence Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #74

But gun violence didn't increase hack89 Jun 2016 #76

First of all, let me just call bullshit on you repeated assertion that more guns are entering Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #79

Yours is the assertion that is bullshit. beevul Jun 2016 #113

This poll was conducted in the same way that political polls are done Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #114

Meh. beevul Jul 2016 #116

Ah I see. When a poll doesn't go your way, pretend everybody who answered is lying Downtown Hound Jul 2016 #120

Not at all. beevul Jul 2016 #130

Sorry, bald: Guns in circulation up. Gun violence down. nt Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #107

Sorry Elenors, overall amount of homes with guns way down Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #115

You may recall: "More guns = more crime" was and is the mantra of controllers... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #121

Yes, they do. easttexaslefty Jun 2016 #85

suicide is violence uponit7771 Jun 2016 #34

Suicide is a choice. hack89 Jun 2016 #37

True, its a violent choice made by people who have mental issues... violent uponit7771 Jun 2016 #42

So identify and disarm people with mental health issues hack89 Jun 2016 #46

Yeah! Way to stand up for those civil liberties. Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #61

If we have to restrict civil liberities to make us all safe hack89 Jun 2016 #62

To civil liberties extend to those that want to live in a safe, violence-free country? Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #65

Of course a balance has to be found. hack89 Jun 2016 #67

So is a ban on semi-automatic rifles unconstitutional to you? Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #75

Perfectly constitutional hack89 Jun 2016 #78

Then do me a favor, never tell me or anybody else that you love your country Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #80

That's nice. hack89 Jun 2016 #82

Like run away and not answer any of the challenges I gave you Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #89

The irony here is that you and I most likely agree on most gun control issues hack89 Jun 2016 #90

If you don't support taking military style weapons off the street, then no, we are not on the same Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #92

Then you will continue to lose hack89 Jun 2016 #93

Actually I don't need to work with you Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #94

Another gun control advocate disconnected from reality once again hack89 Jun 2016 #95

Must have got that info from the same place you got your info saying that gun ownership Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #96

Your post echoes what I said hack89 Jun 2016 #97

Acutally it's not Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #98

Forget Sandy Hook? hack89 Jun 2016 #99

Eventually people are going to grow tired of these massacres and demand action Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #100

"Just you wait" - the motto for gun control for 30 years and counting . nt hack89 Jun 2016 #103

During which time nearly half a million Americans have been killed by guns. Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #110

During which we cut gun deaths rates in half. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #111

Gun nuts did that? LOL. Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #112

Good thing ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #118

Isn't the annual number of U.S. gun deaths now equal to annual car deaths? Hoppy Jun 2016 #44

Yes - they have dropped that much hack89 Jun 2016 #47

Not true Dem2 Jun 2016 #56

That's nice. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #57

The only solution to gun violence is to confiscate every single gun, and make sure Francis Booth Jun 2016 #70

Can you list one single country that has been able to do this? Wayburn Jun 2016 #104

k&r x 100 Photographer Jun 2016 #6

They are regulated only of they stay on their meds. Martin Eden Jun 2016 #7

Hey Mr. Kpete . . FairWinds Jun 2016 #11

Ain't that the truth... hunter Jun 2016 #15

Over 100,000,000 Americans own guns. Scary, huh? Francis Booth Jun 2016 #68

They don't like inconvenient facts. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #102

I don't think.... paleotn Jun 2016 #14

For many of these men it was about keeping the tools of oppression available. hunter Jun 2016 #17

Yep. The disaffected white man's last bastion of power over the rest of us. A toy to protect his ego Squinch Jun 2016 #19

I would argue that during the Civil Rights era, black Americans arming themselves Francis Booth Jun 2016 #69

Did you leave out women who are armed by accident? Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #108

Jefferson was a slave-holding pedophile who couldn't manage his own money much less the country's Squinch Jun 2016 #20

The cartoon makes the point: don't regulate guns...regulate PEOPLE who should not have guns. Sancho Jun 2016 #18

"The cartoon makes the point: don't regulate guns...regulate PEOPLE who should not have guns." pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #71

Great cartoon Gothmog Jun 2016 #26

gun humping cowards Skittles Jun 2016 #35

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #72

All you have is insults Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #77

Whereas you have Eddie Eagle! Squinch Jul 2016 #124

Indeed, as I am for gun safety Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #125

No. It is an NRA program specifically designed NOT to be a good program, and you are shilling it. Squinch Jul 2016 #126

so what is wrong with Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #128

What is "not good" about it? n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #129

Of course you use that phrase to describe anyone who owns a firearm. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #101

They always leave out the "regulated" part npk Jun 2016 #36

Apparently, that just means the equipment runs smoothly and Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #63

No doubt that cartoon causes a lot of issues with a certain crowd. Rex Jun 2016 #91

Hear the NRA pays royalties for these 'toons. For republishing. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #109