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girl gone mad

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16. Speculation drove these bubbles in commodities.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:18 PM
Jun 2012

This is another argument against allowing the financial sector to become so powerful in lieu of sound fiscal policy and strong regulatory structures.

There was an abundance of oil available on the world markets throughout the run up in 2007. There was so much oil, banks had to hire supertankers to store all of the oil they were accumulating in their leveraged bets. After the margin calls hit, prices collapsed because the genuine supply was far in excess of the genuine demand.

While I agree that resource and productive capacity constraints represent the true obstacles to economic growth, if you really believe we are now bumping up against energy constraints and resource constraints, wouldn't the best solution be for the currency-issuing government to spend money developing clean, renewable energy sources, updating our infrastructure, investing in transportation alternatives, growing sustainable local economic movements, etc.?

It seems that what you propose is for tens of millions of people to simply accept unemployment, a poor quality of life and greater levels of economic inequality in the hopes that we can delay addressing environmental and ecological concerns. That amounts to giving governments and financial elites a free pass on their societal obligations. I don't believe that this represents the best option. Economic growth does not have to come at the expense of the environment and it does not have to directly correspond to growth in energy consumption. Refusing to invest in education, energy and infrastructure now while allowing our productive capacity to wither away will lead to costly results down the road.

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and the top 1% sucked it all up. n/t Horse with no Name Jun 2012 #1
Agreed bobobjohnae Jun 2012 #2
How, exactly? Most of this is due to the house price bubble deflating. Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #5
The one percent received a nice bail out on their failed investments. HuckleB Jun 2012 #6
By having the federal reserve buy their fecal mortgage backed securities at face value! kenny blankenship Jun 2012 #15
Kenny, this is one of the most righteous coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #17
agreed. laundry_queen Jun 2012 #22
So how did Lehman Brothers go bankrupt? Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #20
Because it happened too fast laundry_queen Jun 2012 #23
Lehman bankruptcy happend before the cash-for-trash programs began. The coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #24
here's one theory: HiPointDem Jun 2012 #32
Indeed a GREAT explanation........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #26
Thanks for so eloquently proving my 1 line reply Horse with no Name Jun 2012 #27
+1. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #29
kenny blankenship speaks the truth. Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #37
It was fake wealth to begin with NickB79 Jun 2012 #3
just compare 2001 ($106K) to $77K in 2011 - Huge drop with NO housing factor nt msongs Jun 2012 #4
zing! cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #8
Very true. I'm not arguing that there wasn't a big drop NickB79 Jun 2012 #9
Only if you think housing wasn't already in a bubble in 2001. boppers Jun 2012 #35
A bank lending against that fake value would have disagreed cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #7
All very good points. NickB79 Jun 2012 #10
Wages are not wealth, or worth. boppers Jun 2012 #31
The only the thing fake about it is that it was built on Ponzi bank credit. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #11
I have a different take on it NickB79 Jun 2012 #12
Any time you hear about "overpopulation" remember one thing Zalatix Jun 2012 #13
Who's talking about controlling overpopulation? NickB79 Jun 2012 #14
In 2009, world total fertility rate was 2.47 births per woman. It's likely lower today (recession/ HiPointDem Jun 2012 #34
Speculation drove these bubbles in commodities. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #16
"Economic growth does not have to come at the expense of the environment" The2ndWheel Jun 2012 #18
Speculation can only do so much NickB79 Jun 2012 #25
"You can't speculate and drive the price of a commodity through the roof that's widely available" girl gone mad Jun 2012 #28
I suggest investing in Tulips. boppers Jun 2012 #33
Sure looks like the predicted 'bumpy plauteau' to me n/t Strelnikov_ Jun 2012 #21
no, what you saw was the result of too much money chasing too few real investment opportunities = HiPointDem Jun 2012 #30
"Mission accomplished!" bighughdiehl Jun 2012 #19
Since 2001, every decile of the income distribution lost wealth except the top 10%. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #36
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