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In reply to the discussion: A certain minority on this site supported the Iraq war authorization - Jeremy Corbyn did not. [View all]Denzil_DC
(9,013 posts)30. I'm not sure if you read any of MY posts.
You've seemed very short of replies.
Here I am in another DU thread where you haven't engaged, where you were insisting on your right to define anti-semitism: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1506711
Another poster agreed with my critique of your stance and said "Yeah a lot of people equate anti-Zionism withanti-Semitism and it's NOT the same thing."
I replied:
And restricting the definition of anti-semitism to support of/criticism of Israel's current political complexion is not only ahistorical, it's potentially downright dangerous.
Anti-semitism has taken a hold again in France, for instance, to the extent that a while back quite a number of Jews were reported to be thinking of leaving. A not insignificant amount of that is to do with old, old anti-Jewish racism - the same sort that fuelled the pogroms. That idiot who spoke to me at the bus stop is typical of that. It's not the only time in my life I've been gobsmacked by casual anti-semitism, and it didn't used to have anything to do with Israel at all.
Repeated horrible headlines about what Israel is doing in the Middle East and on the world stage feed into that nowadays, but they're not necessarily at its core.
Corbyn was addressing similar sentiments among some hotheads in his party and wider society. In those cases, I think it's more likely that current Israeli politics are the main motivator, but I wouldn't be surprised, if you scratched the surface, that the old tropes still live on as well.
He should have been seen as offering unequivocal support for Jewish people against being tarred with the brush of "Zionism" or whatever the latest confusing and misunderstood buzzword is. Instead, some are deliberately capitalizing on it for their own reasons and distracting from and negating the power of his argument - one which too few politicians are making.
Hell, much of Corbyn's political thought is based on important leftist Jewish writers over the last century or so, as he'd probably be the first to acknowledge.
Anti-semitism has taken a hold again in France, for instance, to the extent that a while back quite a number of Jews were reported to be thinking of leaving. A not insignificant amount of that is to do with old, old anti-Jewish racism - the same sort that fuelled the pogroms. That idiot who spoke to me at the bus stop is typical of that. It's not the only time in my life I've been gobsmacked by casual anti-semitism, and it didn't used to have anything to do with Israel at all.
Repeated horrible headlines about what Israel is doing in the Middle East and on the world stage feed into that nowadays, but they're not necessarily at its core.
Corbyn was addressing similar sentiments among some hotheads in his party and wider society. In those cases, I think it's more likely that current Israeli politics are the main motivator, but I wouldn't be surprised, if you scratched the surface, that the old tropes still live on as well.
He should have been seen as offering unequivocal support for Jewish people against being tarred with the brush of "Zionism" or whatever the latest confusing and misunderstood buzzword is. Instead, some are deliberately capitalizing on it for their own reasons and distracting from and negating the power of his argument - one which too few politicians are making.
Hell, much of Corbyn's political thought is based on important leftist Jewish writers over the last century or so, as he'd probably be the first to acknowledge.
The fact Corbyn has shared a stage with some unsavoury figures puts him in the same situation as many of our leaders. Translating that into "support of an Islamic terrorist origination" (organization?) and claiming that means he agrees with everything those figures have ever said is ridiculous and flies in the face of the not uncritical experience of those of us who've known of Corbyn (in my case, sat in a CND conference forum with him in the chair back in 1983, IIRC) for the last forty years, not just discovered him. Corbyn's not a 9/11 truther. And he most definitely is not a racist or "anti-semite", not matter how often you type it.
Sorry, you're sounding like a one-trick pony. I don't think your argument is persuasive to anyone who doesn't already agree with you.
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A certain minority on this site supported the Iraq war authorization - Jeremy Corbyn did not. [View all]
JackRiddler
Jul 2016
OP
"Don't blame Jeremy Corbyn - polls show only Tory voters could have kept us in the EU"
JackRiddler
Jul 2016
#1
I was here too, and the vast majority of DU'ers were OPPOSED to the Iraq Invasion
emulatorloo
Jul 2016
#34
I would also add that I've been on the UK forum since it was created in 2004
LeftishBrit
Jul 2016
#42
If an African American dismissed any criticism of a certain country's government as racism,
Denzil_DC
Jul 2016
#26
And, by the way, you dodged replying to me when I pointed you this fact elsewhere:
Denzil_DC
Jul 2016
#27