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Denzil_DC

(9,013 posts)
30. I'm not sure if you read any of MY posts.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 09:10 AM
Jul 2016

You've seemed very short of replies.

Here I am in another DU thread where you haven't engaged, where you were insisting on your right to define anti-semitism: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1506711

Another poster agreed with my critique of your stance and said "Yeah a lot of people equate anti-Zionism withanti-Semitism and it's NOT the same thing."

I replied:

And restricting the definition of anti-semitism to support of/criticism of Israel's current political complexion is not only ahistorical, it's potentially downright dangerous.

Anti-semitism has taken a hold again in France, for instance, to the extent that a while back quite a number of Jews were reported to be thinking of leaving. A not insignificant amount of that is to do with old, old anti-Jewish racism - the same sort that fuelled the pogroms. That idiot who spoke to me at the bus stop is typical of that. It's not the only time in my life I've been gobsmacked by casual anti-semitism, and it didn't used to have anything to do with Israel at all.

Repeated horrible headlines about what Israel is doing in the Middle East and on the world stage feed into that nowadays, but they're not necessarily at its core.

Corbyn was addressing similar sentiments among some hotheads in his party and wider society. In those cases, I think it's more likely that current Israeli politics are the main motivator, but I wouldn't be surprised, if you scratched the surface, that the old tropes still live on as well.

He should have been seen as offering unequivocal support for Jewish people against being tarred with the brush of "Zionism" or whatever the latest confusing and misunderstood buzzword is. Instead, some are deliberately capitalizing on it for their own reasons and distracting from and negating the power of his argument - one which too few politicians are making.

Hell, much of Corbyn's political thought is based on important leftist Jewish writers over the last century or so, as he'd probably be the first to acknowledge.


The fact Corbyn has shared a stage with some unsavoury figures puts him in the same situation as many of our leaders. Translating that into "support of an Islamic terrorist origination" (organization?) and claiming that means he agrees with everything those figures have ever said is ridiculous and flies in the face of the not uncritical experience of those of us who've known of Corbyn (in my case, sat in a CND conference forum with him in the chair back in 1983, IIRC) for the last forty years, not just discovered him. Corbyn's not a 9/11 truther. And he most definitely is not a racist or "anti-semite", not matter how often you type it.

Sorry, you're sounding like a one-trick pony. I don't think your argument is persuasive to anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

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"Don't blame Jeremy Corbyn - polls show only Tory voters could have kept us in the EU" JackRiddler Jul 2016 #1
Good post malaise Jul 2016 #2
Yup. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #4
I found it amusing that Cameron truebluegreen Jul 2016 #3
Cameron's a real patriot. Always the nation's welfare in mind. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #5
I've been here since early 2001 SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #11
At the point of the vote, there were many. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #15
No doubt people support the troops in the field SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #33
I was here too, and the vast majority of DU'ers were OPPOSED to the Iraq Invasion emulatorloo Jul 2016 #34
Sorry, didn't mean it that way. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #38
Same here and I'm at a loss. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2016 #28
Yeah, most everyone here opposed the Iraq war and continues to do so. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #36
I would also add that I've been on the UK forum since it was created in 2004 LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #42
DU never disappoints. iandhr Jul 2016 #6
whatever. He is not an anti-semite. That dog wont hunt. AntiBank Jul 2016 #14
he compared israel top isis JI7 Jul 2016 #16
No he didn't, either to or top isis. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #18
bullshit AntiBank Jul 2016 #19
Did you actually listen to his speech? Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #40
He did not. LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #41
As a Jew I get to define what antisemitism is. iandhr Jul 2016 #17
simply being a member of a group doesn't give you exclusive rights AntiBank Jul 2016 #20
If an African American said something was racist would you listen? iandhr Jul 2016 #25
If an African American dismissed any criticism of a certain country's government as racism, Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #26
If you read my post I am not saying any critism of Isreal is antisemtic. iandhr Jul 2016 #29
I'm not sure if you read any of MY posts. Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #30
And, by the way, you dodged replying to me when I pointed you this fact elsewhere: Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #27
I wasn't referring to those comments. iandhr Jul 2016 #31
See my reply above. n/t Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #32
Really - are Jews the only malaise Jul 2016 #44
Thanks to JackRiddler for this post. vlakitti Jul 2016 #7
Still is, but Chilcot is coming! JackRiddler Jul 2016 #9
Pedant Klaxon. Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #35
No I agree - names are holy. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #37
Once the ordure hits the ventilateur next week Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #39
aren't there people here headed for the dock captainarizona Jul 2016 #8
The first step would be Blair, which is the "U.S. interest" in all this. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #10
If you ever want to find out how many "quite a few" actually is, post a poll yurbud Jul 2016 #12
I should be able to afford it soon, 'tis true. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #13
wow ..sure its very profound..but Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2016 #22
Doesn't bother me. I read books for a living. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #23
"Corbyn campaigned against Brexit (but without calling for stricter limits on migration and pampango Jul 2016 #24
You're welcome. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #43
Corbyn is looking stronger by the day, even as the attacks continue. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #45
And here we go, the worm is turning... on Blair. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #46
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