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JackRiddler

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38. Sorry, didn't mean it that way.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jul 2016

Some of those statements were about Americans generally, others about Americans as reflected on DU. I should have been clearer.

So:

- I remember plenty on DU (a minority) supporting the war authorization or buying into the WMD nonsense (not the Saddam-did-9/11 nonsense). Supporting the vote if not the attack itself, because who knew if Saddam did not present an imminent threat, after all the CIA and Pentagon were saying so.

- Most on DU were against the whole way and remained against after it started.

- Opposition largely collapsed in U.S. after it started.

- The soldiers are the first resort in confusing the issue. As if the most important issue is that these people are going to be ordered to carry out a war of aggression and acts of mass murder. I sympathize most with the ones who, despite having volunteered for this for whatever reason, end up doing the right thing and resist, go to prison, desert, etc. I also feel sorry for the many who believe they must carry out their illegal orders because they took an oath, or because it's their country and they are "defending" it on orders from a legitimate government. They are well meaning and indeed the ones who pay a high price. It cannot be compared to the civilians being murdered in Iraq, however.

Again, the whole thing is mainly used as a distraction. Instead of talking policy, it's always, do you support our troops? The idea that by going to Iraq they are sacrificing for the population at large, or that they are "defending our freedoms," is preposterous. Utterly. They may think so, but they need to get over the big lie. To say that is not to "shit on them." Worshipping military service is part of the machinery that makes such crimes possible. The soldiers should be seen in proportion to the big picture.

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"Don't blame Jeremy Corbyn - polls show only Tory voters could have kept us in the EU" JackRiddler Jul 2016 #1
Good post malaise Jul 2016 #2
Yup. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #4
I found it amusing that Cameron truebluegreen Jul 2016 #3
Cameron's a real patriot. Always the nation's welfare in mind. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #5
I've been here since early 2001 SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #11
At the point of the vote, there were many. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #15
No doubt people support the troops in the field SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #33
I was here too, and the vast majority of DU'ers were OPPOSED to the Iraq Invasion emulatorloo Jul 2016 #34
Sorry, didn't mean it that way. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #38
Same here and I'm at a loss. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2016 #28
Yeah, most everyone here opposed the Iraq war and continues to do so. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #36
I would also add that I've been on the UK forum since it was created in 2004 LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #42
DU never disappoints. iandhr Jul 2016 #6
whatever. He is not an anti-semite. That dog wont hunt. AntiBank Jul 2016 #14
he compared israel top isis JI7 Jul 2016 #16
No he didn't, either to or top isis. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #18
bullshit AntiBank Jul 2016 #19
Did you actually listen to his speech? Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #40
He did not. LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #41
As a Jew I get to define what antisemitism is. iandhr Jul 2016 #17
simply being a member of a group doesn't give you exclusive rights AntiBank Jul 2016 #20
If an African American said something was racist would you listen? iandhr Jul 2016 #25
If an African American dismissed any criticism of a certain country's government as racism, Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #26
If you read my post I am not saying any critism of Isreal is antisemtic. iandhr Jul 2016 #29
I'm not sure if you read any of MY posts. Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #30
And, by the way, you dodged replying to me when I pointed you this fact elsewhere: Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #27
I wasn't referring to those comments. iandhr Jul 2016 #31
See my reply above. n/t Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #32
Really - are Jews the only malaise Jul 2016 #44
Thanks to JackRiddler for this post. vlakitti Jul 2016 #7
Still is, but Chilcot is coming! JackRiddler Jul 2016 #9
Pedant Klaxon. Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #35
No I agree - names are holy. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #37
Once the ordure hits the ventilateur next week Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #39
aren't there people here headed for the dock captainarizona Jul 2016 #8
The first step would be Blair, which is the "U.S. interest" in all this. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #10
If you ever want to find out how many "quite a few" actually is, post a poll yurbud Jul 2016 #12
I should be able to afford it soon, 'tis true. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #13
wow ..sure its very profound..but Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2016 #22
Doesn't bother me. I read books for a living. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #23
"Corbyn campaigned against Brexit (but without calling for stricter limits on migration and pampango Jul 2016 #24
You're welcome. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #43
Corbyn is looking stronger by the day, even as the attacks continue. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #45
And here we go, the worm is turning... on Blair. JackRiddler Jul 2016 #46
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