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62. I don't agree with your comment on steel, you don't think it takes people

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 11:11 AM

Jul 2016

to make steel for construction? The number one consumer of the products we made in the mill where I worked for 40 years was the construction industry. When I started in the company in 1970 we had around 17000 employees now we have ZERO. There is another steel company in the valley that employed about 13000 in 1970 that also made a lot of products used in construction there are maybe 500 employees working now. Between those companies we lost about 29500 direct good paying steelworker jobs I have heard that for each job in the mill it created around 7 jobs outside. There is a loss of about 200,000 jobs in 45 years and a good portion of that was just from steel used in production of products used in construction. I do agree 100% with the rest of your post.

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You want to know what is taking middle class jobs? [View all] sheshe2 Jul 2016 OP

What took middle class jobs are the f--g middle class wanting cheap doc03 Jul 2016 #1

Why are you trashing the middle class? sheshe2 Jul 2016 #3

I am not trashing the middle class I am trashing people bitching about imports doc03 Jul 2016 #4

Yes, you're so right. Nt TheFarseer Jul 2016 #6

I never "bitched" about imports. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #7

Yes you are right the internet takes people's jobs. The invention of the computer doc03 Jul 2016 #14

No. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #18

Who buys Toyotas and says American cars are junk? Who buys Corona doc03 Jul 2016 #22

?????????????????????????????????????????? sheshe2 Jul 2016 #24

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My Toyota was made in Kentucky. Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #45

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It was on the Yahoo home page yesterday, possibly Xfinity but doc03 Jul 2016 #86

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have him try this, superb Dutch trappist ale (only actual Trappist monastery brewery in Holland) AntiBank Jul 2016 #83

It's not the middle class making the decisions from where to buy their steel or anything else. YOHABLO Jul 2016 #37

...steel for bridges and construction is not what drive our economy... Chan790 Jul 2016 #47

Steel and infrastructure is not driving our economy My Good Babushka Jul 2016 #51

I don't agree with your comment on steel, you don't think it takes people doc03 Jul 2016 #62

This actually goes back to MGB's point... Chan790 Jul 2016 #78

By all measurable economics, this is 100% correct. The OP is actually quite wrong, the Exilednight Jul 2016 #87

Depends on where you live! Here in Seattle, the Director's Rules prevent... scscholar Jul 2016 #2

Fucking Poe's law Scootaloo Jul 2016 #39

Whaaat? n/t PasadenaTrudy Jul 2016 #69

What the hell are you talking about? frankieallen Jul 2016 #75

About how Microsoft has way too much influence here scscholar Jul 2016 #80

Why would Microsoft not want people to have fast internet? frankieallen Jul 2016 #81

Not in my back yard = NIMBY scscholar Jul 2016 #84

It would be interesting to see stats on that TheFarseer Jul 2016 #5

Off shoring offers many many great Tax Avoidance schemes FreakinDJ Jul 2016 #8

The internet sales are the same as off shoring. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #10

Yes but the internet doesn't offer Tax incentives FreakinDJ Jul 2016 #11

I do not care about the tax incentives right now. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #13

Actually I only buy items not locally available off the internet FreakinDJ Jul 2016 #15

Nope. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #9

The internet is not going anywhere and globalization isn't going to recede. Tal Vez Jul 2016 #12

Every dayum business profits .... sheshe2 Jul 2016 #25

I think someone like Trump could do a number on globalization since it is partly the result pampango Jul 2016 #48

I know, I really miss having to go downtown to the travel agent to plan a vacation, Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #16

No joke. +1. Hoyt Jul 2016 #52

Ha! Excellent point. I *love* being able to plan every detail of my vacations myself. Just reading posts Jul 2016 #65

I would rather plan my own vacation on the Internet. frankieallen Jul 2016 #77

yes, but at the same time it helps a lot of people make money who otherwise JI7 Jul 2016 #17

Sorry JI7 sheshe2 Jul 2016 #20

Because it's not zero sum, is JI7's point Recursion Jul 2016 #42

here in hawaii we buy many things off the internet because they are NOT available msongs Jul 2016 #19

Hey, msongs. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #23

I was trying mercuryblues Jul 2016 #21

this is where the travel agents can help JI7 Jul 2016 #29

I can't remember the last time I bought a product that has or used to have a sales person. X_Digger Jul 2016 #26

i think sales people use to be better about knowing what they JI7 Jul 2016 #28

False sheshe2 Jul 2016 #31

Some salespeople are well informed and trained SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #82

Hey Dig. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #30

Oh look, a straw man. Did you stuff it yourself, or did it come pre-stuffed? X_Digger Jul 2016 #61

How much should you make on commission? Lonusca Jul 2016 #67

what is taking middle class jobs are stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms Albertoo Jul 2016 #27

.50 Cent raise to $10.50 and many business owners are highly upset Iliyah Jul 2016 #32

Yes. Thanks Iliyah. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #33

Here in Los Angeles companies like Target and majority of the big grocery stores Iliyah Jul 2016 #35

Hey.............. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #36

LOL!! The middle class job losses started even before Al Gore invented the internets. madinmaryland Jul 2016 #34

I just ordered a new power adapter and battery from Amazon .. very cheap but, they're going back. YOHABLO Jul 2016 #38

When did you lose your job, Sheshe2? Scootaloo Jul 2016 #40

It's a combination of factors Sherman A1 Jul 2016 #43

You are so correct. kacekwl Jul 2016 #55

If it's too complicated to fit on a baseball cap, then I'm voting for Trump. pampango Jul 2016 #57

You could afford a middle class life on a retail salesperson job's salary? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #44

It depends on how far back you go TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #59

I did that in the 80's for a little while bhikkhu Jul 2016 #88

Greed-driven profit is kicking humanity's ass. HughBeaumont Jul 2016 #46

Ummmmm...... you think that "greed-driven profit" has only been around since 1971? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #66

I love how that's in quotes . . . like it doesn't exist . . . HughBeaumont Jul 2016 #90

or use the Internet to your advantage madville Jul 2016 #49

That is a good point. The internet allows a lot of people to sell art, music, consulting services, Hoyt Jul 2016 #53

Change happens more quickly these days madville Jul 2016 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #50

what is killing the middleclass are american consumers....those who shop at walmart beachbum bob Jul 2016 #56

If people didn't have a preference for shopping online, online selling wouldn't be taking over. WillowTree Jul 2016 #58

also include understating what the concept is. i see some articles using borderline... JanMichael Jul 2016 #60

There's lots of manufacturing labor done in the US - by robots, which equals 0 jobs. Zen Democrat Jul 2016 #63

Not zero 1939 Jul 2016 #70

Retail/"sales" jobs have not been "middle class jobs" for a long time. GoCubsGo Jul 2016 #72

P.S., You want to know why I shop online? GoCubsGo Jul 2016 #74

Judging from the OP and the first sub-thread -- Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #73

Death of a salesman GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #79

Think how many farm jobs there would be if we didn't have tractors and combines RB TexLa Jul 2016 #85

I remembered being so excited when the phylny Jul 2016 #89