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31. Well...

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 05:57 PM

Jul 2016

Who cares if the bottom 90% of Americans will lose under TPP? Think of the top 10%! If we pass TPP, they will be able to buy their third multimillion dollar yacht! The top 10% have a lifestyle they have become accustomed to and it isn't fair if the lower class 90% take it away from them just because they want to eat!

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by Robert Reich:The Trans Pacific Partnership is a travesty. [View all] elleng Jul 2016 OP

K&R'd! snot Jul 2016 #1

Um, Dr. Reich, Hillary Clinton is FOR the TPP... modestybl Jul 2016 #5

"Hillary Clinton is FOR the TPP"? red dog 1 Jul 2016 #24

The pudding has yet to be made. In it, we will find the proof. nt cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #36

Would be a lot easier to determine where she stands if she stood against it from the get-go. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #45

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ This Avalon Sparks Jul 2016 #47

"Vehemently"? I don't think so. And the "TPP" that she was originally in favor of is not the TPP.. George II Jul 2016 #50

How so? sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #54

She said how in her formal statement when she came out against it. George II Jul 2016 #56

Got a link? sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #57

hillaryclinton.com George II Jul 2016 #58

Can't find a word sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #59

Can you please link to it reflection Jul 2016 #60

This search dvduval Jul 2016 #61

Wants to redo nafta too dvduval Jul 2016 #62

Thank you reflection Jul 2016 #67

I guess my question would be why push for something when it's not a finished product... PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #68

Why push for something before it's finished? If every public official waited for something..... George II Jul 2016 #69

Yes, you push for things you support before they are finished. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #75

Yes, she explained why she changed her mind. Basically she saw what many other people saw... George II Jul 2016 #78

Clinton majority voted for the TPP liberal from boston Jul 2016 #71

This. He stands against the Party, thus us, on this issue (ntxt) scscholar Jul 2016 #76

TPP ISDS and the Democrats Arizona Roadrunner Jul 2016 #2

Exactly! elleng Jul 2016 #3

That's not what happened in Egypt, Veolia v. Egypt bhikkhu Jul 2016 #6

What right does any corporation have to do business in a foreign country? fasttense Jul 2016 #14

Corporations do not have that right but national governments have the right to allow foreign pampango Jul 2016 #20

Its just standard contract law bhikkhu Jul 2016 #34

huh, I remember contracts made with unions and workers that were trashed fasttense Jul 2016 #55

One for the bookmarks! forest444 Jul 2016 #7

+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2016 #23

Reich is wrong about one thing: Hillary is not really against TPP. Vattel Jul 2016 #4

May I ask you WHY you feel that way, concerning Hillary? Sources,links and quotes please... REALforever Jul 2016 #9

I can't be sure, but given her earlier very strong support of TPP and other trade deals, Vattel Jul 2016 #11

+10 SHRED Jul 2016 #13

A little bit of recent history... modestybl Jul 2016 #17

Yep. After the election, I've little doubt that she will proclaim Marr Jul 2016 #38

So True sangfroid Jul 2016 #43

Yep. SheilaT Jul 2016 #51

She will be referred to as having "evolved". Lots of evolving going around. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2016 #64

Chamber of Commerce Lobbyist Tom Donohue: Clinton Will Support TPP After Election AntiBank Jul 2016 #30

oh boy-- Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #65

they asked for links AntiBank Jul 2016 #66

I know Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #73

I wish there was a point-by-point summary somewhere of what is wrong with it bhikkhu Jul 2016 #8

I agree.. It seems like there's a "ANY Trade Agreement is Shit" Movement afoot. REALforever Jul 2016 #10

You got it. ALL free trade agreements are sh*t. fasttense Jul 2016 #16

Great point. There are good trade agreements - like FDR's - and bad trade agreements. pampango Jul 2016 #22

This isn't really about trade... modestybl Jul 2016 #29

Do you believe "trade agreements" are negotiated with people in mind rather than corporations? nt cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #37

It's the special tribunals just for corporations to sue nations fasttense Jul 2016 #15

I understand the concern, but we already have that with the WTO bhikkhu Jul 2016 #35

Part of the problem - we aren't allow to read the treaty itself... modestybl Jul 2016 #18

The full text is right here: pampango Jul 2016 #21

That is a lot... but section 8 alone should scare you... modestybl Jul 2016 #27

Even in the summary... section 7 should scare you... modestybl Jul 2016 #19

No they don't Egnever Jul 2016 #63

Yeah, they so ... it will cost... modestybl Jul 2016 #70

Pretty hard to rectify that nonsense with the actual text from the TPP Egnever Jul 2016 #74

Nonsense to question environmental safeguards? modestybl Jul 2016 #77

Nonsense to claim the TPP prevents them in any way Egnever Jul 2016 #80

That's an understatement. nt silvershadow Jul 2016 #12

I've already signed that petition red dog 1 Jul 2016 #25

Just signed it! chwaliszewski Jul 2016 #52

Robert Reich under the bus as a TPP denialist by the corporatist patrol on 3,2,1... AntiBank Jul 2016 #26

Recommended Ellen. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #28

Well... Else You Are Mad Jul 2016 #31

True. and if they get even richer guillaumeb Jul 2016 #41

Thanks, guillaumeb. elleng Jul 2016 #33

Reich is wrong. A lot. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #32

I've noticed you never actually make an argument on this. Marr Jul 2016 #39

You are not alone in noticing. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #42

The only good trade agreement is one that deals with mutually agreed tariff reductions-- eridani Jul 2016 #40

K&R liberalla Jul 2016 #44

K&R ornotna Jul 2016 #46

If Hillary Against It Then Tell Them To Reject It billhicks76 Jul 2016 #48

Good idea. Dem ptb can't, apparently, bring themselves to do the right thing. elleng Jul 2016 #49

Yep colsohlibgal Jul 2016 #53

Elizabeth Warren is alarmed by this... modestybl Jul 2016 #72

And for those who do not know this, they should read your link. Thanks for posting. lonestarnot Jul 2016 #79