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49. "Don't like my answer, then prove me wrong" easily done

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:13 PM

Jul 2016

"Don't like my answer, then prove me wrong, I already presented evidence from a university researcher about the Soviet/Russian death toll. What do you got?"

Your "answer" didn't actually answer the question asked now, did it? No.

I repeat, has the US or Russia killed or caused the death of more people since WWII.

Lets actually answer THAT question since its relevant to our current political landscape.

What do I got? Lets start with Viet Nam...

NVA/VC military deaths 444,000
Civilian deaths (North and South Vietnam) 587,000

Uppsala University in Sweden maintains the Armed Conflict Database. Their estimates for conflict deaths in Vietnam are 164,923 from 1955 to 1964 and 1,458,050 from 1965 to 1975 for a total of 1,622,973. The database also estimates combat deaths in Cambodia for the years 1967 to 1975 to total 259,000. Data for deaths in Laos is incomplete.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties

That's 444,000 combatants and 587,000 civilians. Lets not haggle over whether the US is responsible for waging the war and hence ALL the civilian deaths, lets just consider half of them as on the US ledger. That's almost three quarters of a MILLION deaths just in Vietnam.
Whoops my bad, I missed the Upsalla University number of 1,458,050 deaths for that period. So double that previous estimate.
What do you have for Russia in the same time period?

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