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haele

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38. All information can be classified according the the federal government.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jul 2016

The following information is "classified" according to government regulations:
Personal Identification Information - along with the SSNs (which everyone agrees is critically sensitive and should never be in email), phone numbers (including cell phone and work phone numbers), addresses (not only home and work, but travel lodging and work addresses), other email or social networking accounts, and birthdays.
And quite a lot of this information is already in the various federal employee's signatures on their unclassified emails, or in social network accounts, etc...

HIPPA medical information (including scheduled appointments or announcements of medical status, like pregnancies or future procedures that may affect one's work schedule...),

NOFORN (No foreign dissemination) or FOUO (For Official Use Only) information -
Work or Duty Schedules
Federal scheduled events (exercises, inspections or audits, and public affairs events)
Cost information on federal purchases, training, or operational expenses.
Contract and "Manpower" information.

And a multitude of other data which can be used in aggregate that might create harm to individuals, operations or security within the United States. All these things are classified.

I've seen a base volleyball team schedule classified FOUO (for official use only) because - well, I guess someone could take the volleyball roster, the schedule, and the duty station watch-bill and determine one person's activity on a certain date, and exploit that information for some reason or another.

And yet, I can Google a lot of low-level classified FOUO information from my home computer.

So, when Comey talks about careless transmission of classified information over an unsecured system, pretty near every federal employee, including Comey himself, is guilty of breaking that particular rule. All network systems have security breakdowns as part of the normal cycle of use and maintenance; if there is an interface - even if it's a disk or a USB port - or more than one user on a system, there is a security risk that can be exploited. That's why there's always security upgrades being pushed on even the classified servers on networks and there's firewalls and disabled functionality on government and associated (i.e., private or individual) networks that connect to a government network.


There are only two situations that need to be addressed with the "Clinton Email Scandal".
There are rules for setting up and securing private servers, telework, or use of non-government servers. If those rules are being followed, and permission is present, there is no problem with using a private or a non-government server.
There are rules for use of email and transmission of data over "unclassified" service. Even so-called classified (low-level classified; like PII, HIPPA, NOFORN, FOUO) information might be sent, so long as there are sufficient encryption and certification protocols in place on the network being used. If those rules are being followed and permission to transmit is present, again, there is no problem.

There are all sorts of problems with email, access, and data transmission on all networks that in inherent in the technology and with people in general. Security is evolutionary; there have been hundreds of changes in types of risks, protocols, mitigation processes as they have been discovered. When researching IT from 2010, security procedures and data handling had changed radically since then; some of what was allowable then would be a termination offence now.

So how hard do we want to bring the hammer down on someone for operating within the system when almost all the issues had become issues after the fact (as it were). If Clinton's IT people fixed security issues as soon as they were aware (or made aware) of a risk, again, it should not be an issue. If it had been lax enough for a criminal charge, then she and her IT people should be made responsible.

Whatever problems I have with Ms. Clinton, it's not with what has been determined from her email and server usage. Those are measurable. She's either "guilty" or "not guilty" of whatever the charges would be. No more actionable misuse was found than could be found on any other government employee or contractor network.

Comey's editorializing. Which is just as inappropriate as sending classified FOUO email on an unclassified server.

Haele


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He inserted a lot of editorializing that he shouldn't have.nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #1
I guess he had me fooled Shankapotomus Jul 2016 #7
That was an opinion and not a statement of fact, legally he's not the privier of reasonable either uponit7771 Jul 2016 #31
+1 fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #27
"Matt Miller, former spokesman for the FBI" agrees with your headline. MH1 Jul 2016 #2
Comey was publicly airing his butt hurt underpants Jul 2016 #30
It's extremely hard to put one's mindset 7+ years back in time. No Vested Interest Jul 2016 #3
I think he was criticising the State Department in general Matrosov Jul 2016 #4
Clinton, like most of us rely on the IT people to make it all work and be secure brush Jul 2016 #10
How do we best ensure that FOIA is facilitated and protected? loyalsister Jul 2016 #16
It wasn't classified at the time it was transmitted, Matrosov. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #44
It wasn't marked classified SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #66
And if you read Comey's statement SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #83
None of it was marked classified at the time it was sent or received by Hillary. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #88
It doesn't matter whether it was marked classified or not SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #89
Being marked classified does matter. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #90
No problem SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #92
No, none were marked classifed. That is not what Comey said. nt SunSeeker Jul 2016 #93
The quote I used is from Comey SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #94
That is very different from saying the emails were marked classified. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #95
You can try to twist it however you like SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #96
I'm not the one twisting things. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #97
Willful blindness SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #98
It is not me who is being willfully blind. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #99
When the FBI director says SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #100
No, "marked classified" has a very distinct meaning; that's why Comey didn’t use the term. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #104
Why are we still discussing this? yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #103
Good question. But I'm not the person in this thread who won't let it go. nt SunSeeker Jul 2016 #105
Understand. I think I was reading through and just had to stop and say something yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #106
Delete: Replied to wrong person (eom) Shankapotomus Jul 2016 #5
Comey seems to have entitlement issues. lapucelle Jul 2016 #6
i think he was more specific in his "should have known" bits unblock Jul 2016 #8
But the thing is Shankapotomus Jul 2016 #13
The use of the private email server isn't a big issue, IMO SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #84
He was man mansplaining. nt fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #28
She should have known better bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #9
LOL. Yes, I'm sure everyone appreciates your "concern!" PSPS Jul 2016 #14
If she should have known better Shankapotomus Jul 2016 #15
Ok great bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #25
Exactly loyalsister Jul 2016 #17
If such conduct was careless Shankapotomus Jul 2016 #19
It's reasonable to expect a person to ask loyalsister Jul 2016 #21
It's not reasonable for her to know more than the experts on the matter uponit7771 Jul 2016 #34
Then she's not as smart as everyone claims she is. when I don't know Exilednight Jul 2016 #39
"everyone" said she knows more than experts in an area? REALLY? Are you sure you're not sploding? uponit7771 Jul 2016 #46
Nonsense. You yourself cannot ask questions if you are not aware that stopbush Jul 2016 #55
Anyone who is in public service should be smart enough to ask if Exilednight Jul 2016 #72
The deep dark secret is that the servers at State were absolute crap stopbush Jul 2016 #73
Pure speculation. Exilednight Jul 2016 #74
No more speculative than your posts. stopbush Jul 2016 #75
Maybe her security expert was an idiot Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #77
Anyone with a security clearance SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #85
I am a tepid Hillary supporter awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #26
? bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #59
Yes - she should have 840high Jul 2016 #33
They wouldn't give her a secure Blackberry and the .gov account couldn't be pnwmom Jul 2016 #37
WHen did Bernie try to take her out over emails? OriginalGeek Jul 2016 #50
Didn't memorize his talks bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #60
lol OriginalGeek Jul 2016 #70
Federal IT has been around a LONG LONG time BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #11
His job was to state the facts... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #12
It's not just you. nt B2G Jul 2016 #18
At the time the proverbial buck stopped at her desk. Her staff fucks up it is her fault. CBGLuthier Jul 2016 #20
No, how about an objective FBI director who doesn't think we give a shit about his opinions on depts uponit7771 Jul 2016 #36
The more I think about it, the more questions I have Matrosov Jul 2016 #22
All information can be classified according the the federal government. haele Jul 2016 #38
Yes and no... Bradical79 Jul 2016 #23
+1 (eom) Shankapotomus Jul 2016 #48
clinton herself has said what happened was a mistake nt msongs Jul 2016 #24
She did know better. That's why her staff was ordered not to discuss it. /nt Marr Jul 2016 #29
^^^That^^^ onecaliberal Jul 2016 #32
.that^ 840high Jul 2016 #35
Group silence in a witch hunt is normal. Repukes will chew on anything. nt JanMichael Jul 2016 #68
oh please Skittles Jul 2016 #78
It had nothing to do with any ongoing investigation. Marr Jul 2016 #79
apparently it wasn't enough for an indictment Skittles Jul 2016 #81
Apparently not. But my point stands. /nt Marr Jul 2016 #82
re:"didn’t require fed employees to use govt accounts, only to preserve records of communications" thesquanderer Jul 2016 #40
He said "careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information." thesquanderer Jul 2016 #41
Yeah, how could she know? HassleCat Jul 2016 #42
It was utterly unprofessional and inappropriate to hold a ranting presser like that. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #43
+1 (eom) Shankapotomus Jul 2016 #49
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #52
+1, thank you. sarae Jul 2016 #64
Agreed. It is like there are no responsible adults left in this world. nt. JanMichael Jul 2016 #69
She should have known better than do something the GOP could hit her with? bigbrother05 Jul 2016 #45
As someone who wotked in the Clinton State Department Proud Public Servant Jul 2016 #47
But didn't the rules at the time not prohibit Shankapotomus Jul 2016 #54
Not so Proud Public Servant Jul 2016 #62
My feelings exactly SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #67
Scott free - only if HRC wants karynnj Jul 2016 #87
Good point. treestar Jul 2016 #51
Please. Look forward. Let it go. floriduck Jul 2016 #53
oh okay Shankapotomus Jul 2016 #56
Read my post. She's now focused on the GE as you should be. Stop the parsing of Comey's words. floriduck Jul 2016 #58
he is tossing a bone to rightwing hacks Skittles Jul 2016 #57
Obviously he was wrong since Sec. Clinton whistler162 Jul 2016 #61
It's you. bonemachine Jul 2016 #63
Using personal email vs solely using personal email is a big deal. Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #65
I more or less figured as much, and honestly I don't care. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #71
Comey is a Republican and appointed for a 10 year term underthematrix Jul 2016 #76
Lynch should ask for his resignation ... GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #80
Why? For telling the truth? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #86
He was over the top. His job was to find facts The Second Stone Jul 2016 #91
He's a former Bush appointee. So maybe he was hoping to sling some mud. Rex Jul 2016 #101
He may have been wrong in saying it...but she should have known better. hollowdweller Jul 2016 #102
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