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Sancho

(9,203 posts)
46. Do you mean would accidents ever happen?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jul 2016

Maybe.

Chances are that better training, better safety systems, and fewer distractions would make a difference.

All we have is the article's description of the incident. In my experience, for many years we taught children and teenagers gun safety at shooting ranges. Typically with those shooters, we used single-shot, short 22s. Nothing more distracting than kids. For that reason, you supervise kids - then do your own shooting separately. Don't mix the two. My license requires children to be supervised, not co-shooters.

If you are practicing with a semi-auto (particularly pistols), you are taught to expect cartridge ejections. That's likely a training issue. We don't know the details, but chances are very great that the shooter(s) were under-trained and over-armed. I'm sure I would never "reach" with a gun in hand, but I'd have put it down on the bench pointing out before adjusting my glasses or anything else. Training should be part of a license.

Insurance companies might have had something to say about the construction of the range. I don't live all that far from that range, and you can see all sorts of dangerous range practices here. A better one may have had one shooter per station for exactly those accident reasons. Insurance should be part of a license.

Without more details, it's hard to say.

My license is to prevent dangerous people (and situations) from easy or casual possession of guns. The higher the bar, the fewer number of deaths and shootings. Nothing is foolproof, but right now it's crazy out there.

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“Gun Didn’t Kill My Boy..I did" [View all] busterbrown Jul 2016 OP
Really sad. Had there been no gun present, no accident, and no dead son. What is so hard about Jitter65 Jul 2016 #1
Going to a gun range without a gun sounds boring. ileus Jul 2016 #21
This statement strikes me as very odd. 3catwoman3 Jul 2016 #2
nothing odd about it Skittles Jul 2016 #5
I do get that mechanism. What I don't get... 3catwoman3 Jul 2016 #16
Well, in a less insane world... Jerry442 Jul 2016 #79
Even those who consider themselves "responsible " gun owners are a lapse away from a tragedy. Hoyt Jul 2016 #3
I grew up on a ranch out west Drahthaardogs Jul 2016 #4
"Give guns all the respect they deserved" and "family fun" are not mutually incompatible. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #33
I disagree. Drahthaardogs Jul 2016 #34
We learned early on a gun was not a "toy." But still, having fun Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #42
I would rather watch golf on tv than hunt from a stand Drahthaardogs Jul 2016 #87
"stand" can include just standing on the ground... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #91
No, this is not whitetail hunting. Drahthaardogs Jul 2016 #95
Clinging to religion to make it easier to cling to his guns. thesquanderer Jul 2016 #6
I think their gun worship is their religion kimbutgar Jul 2016 #32
I commented upthread a bit that, IMO, the... 3catwoman3 Jul 2016 #37
They were at a range and the father did something extremely stupid REP Jul 2016 #7
Uh, right. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #19
Did he have a gun in both hands? louis-t Jul 2016 #29
And it looks like you're ascribing intent instead of reading. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #35
We're all sinners. Jerry442 Jul 2016 #81
I see nothing in either of your posts in this subthread... Chan790 Jul 2016 #86
I've had hot casings go down my shirt front and get stuck in my bra obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #47
Yes, yes, yes, very fascinating. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #59
lololololololololololololol obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #89
Anyone who lacks that minimal self control should not shoot REP Jul 2016 #60
Oh hot brass can hurt sarisataka Jul 2016 #69
I wasn't wearing body armor REP Jul 2016 #80
Ive had brass(hundreds) rain down on me Separation Jul 2016 #68
Why I'm in favor of total confiscation of guns, SheilaT Jul 2016 #8
Well said. Vinca Jul 2016 #9
It's "oddly unpopular" because that would be effectively a ban on hunting. Odin2005 Jul 2016 #10
Yup madokie Jul 2016 #11
Fine, let people keep one or two guns -- lever or bolt action -- AT HOME for hunting. Thing is, Hoyt Jul 2016 #12
Your crass condecension is noted. Odin2005 Jul 2016 #64
I bet you have guns for more than hunting. Most gunners do not Hoyt Jul 2016 #66
Idiot. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2016 #13
The guy that shot his daughter through the closet door louis-t Jul 2016 #31
A dead child due to an "operating error?" mountain grammy Jul 2016 #14
He's taking responsibility for shooting his son, and people are mad about his wording? Brickbat Jul 2016 #15
You're always supposed to blame the gun. ileus Jul 2016 #22
Some people are never satisfied, I guess. Brickbat Jul 2016 #23
Well, since he's absolving the role of the gun in the accident, it's more than just "wording" Gormy Cuss Jul 2016 #25
I'd pretend it's about the wording too. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #28
well done, LanternWaste Skittles Jul 2016 #65
I'm sure Wayne salutes him for defending the gun at all costs. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #17
Perfectly stated.. busterbrown Jul 2016 #18
He is not incorrect Matrosov Jul 2016 #20
If it were me stage left Jul 2016 #24
Me too obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #48
Shoulda said: "Gun didn't kill my boy. My love affair with guns killed my boy." Iggo Jul 2016 #26
Carelessness leads to accidental death. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #27
The CompassionCrowd suddenly isn't so compassionate. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #38
I've noticed. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #39
You continue to compare guns to swimming. How silly is that? nt Logical Jul 2016 #93
I'm just using logic. n/t Kang Colby Jul 2016 #94
The gun lovers are fine with it. A normal day. nt Logical Jul 2016 #92
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jul 2016 #30
How would this incident sarisataka Jul 2016 #40
Do you mean would accidents ever happen? Sancho Jul 2016 #46
Help, if you wish: The poor father is right. He engaged in unsafe actions... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #36
I am confused by the opposition sarisataka Jul 2016 #41
I am not. Compassion is measured by their vitriole. Some deaths are more equal than others. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #43
The primary purpose of a gun is to kill. The primary purpose of a car is not. randome Jul 2016 #45
+ 1 stage left Jul 2016 #61
The purpose of the object sarisataka Jul 2016 #67
But the odds of that negligence rise enormously when a gun is anywhere near a loved one. randome Jul 2016 #73
He was standing behind his dad sarisataka Jul 2016 #75
That doesn't change the fact that 'operating' a gun increases the odds of an accidental shooting. randome Jul 2016 #76
operating' a gun increases the odds of an accidental shooting. sarisataka Jul 2016 #78
Bah. beevul Jul 2016 #71
You can parse the language all you want but you cannot stop accidental shootings. randome Jul 2016 #74
I do think it was criminally unsafe REP Jul 2016 #63
Sad for his family Catherine Vincent Jul 2016 #44
If a drunk driver said "Beer didn't kill my son, I did" Lee-Lee Jul 2016 #49
A major danger to a family is an adult member who owns a gun Kaleva Jul 2016 #50
When is the trial? benld74 Jul 2016 #51
Both killed the unfortunate boy. no_hypocrisy Jul 2016 #52
Gofundme campaign ghostsinthemachine Jul 2016 #53
After he sells his guns. Iggo Jul 2016 #55
I imagine stage left Jul 2016 #62
Guns are more important than people. Iggo Jul 2016 #70
Their goal was $10K TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #57
Yep... probably a lot came directly busterbrown Jul 2016 #58
Shows you how easy things can go wrong BeyondGeography Jul 2016 #54
Yes, you did. And you killed him using a gun. BlueStater Jul 2016 #56
He is also a gun nut newbie. Three years? Really? JanMichael Jul 2016 #72
"The casing bounced off a wall and fell into the back of his shirt, the sheriff's office said." spirald Jul 2016 #77
this man loves his guns more than his kids or the son he killed with a gun MariaThinks Jul 2016 #82
He still thinks guns keep his family safe. (n/t) Iggo Jul 2016 #84
Douchebag to the end - even after he killed his son jpak Jul 2016 #83
So...how would his son have accidentally died if he hadn't had the gun? Generic Brad Jul 2016 #85
Best comment award...On my thread. busterbrown Jul 2016 #88
Eagar & willing to sacrifice both his son & himself to the gun gods. baldguy Jul 2016 #90
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