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TeddyR

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64. But she

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:49 PM

Jul 2016

did lie! Let's support our candidate, but not excuse or obfuscate her missteps/misrepresentations. Here you go:

What Clinton said:

March 10, 2015: “I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email.”

July 2, 2016: “Let me repeat what I have repeated for many months now. I never received nor sent any material that was marked classified.”

What Comey said:

“These [classified] chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-fbi-director-systematically-dismantled-hillary-clintons-email-defense/2016/07/05/55c444ba-42da-11e6-8856-f26de2537a9d_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_clintonstatements705p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

I'm going to vote for Hillary in November, and I'm going to support her candidacy against Trump, but this email issue isn't good for her, and could have been handled better.

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When Karl Rove deleted 22 million White House emails and the media yawned. [View all] pnwmom Jul 2016 OP

BUT BENGHAZI!!!!1! Orrex Jul 2016 #1

Bush White House email controversy - a quick history... spanone Jul 2016 #2

That incident is exactly why I expect better from our candidates and office holders loyalsister Jul 2016 #4

Hillary behaved far better than her predecessors. She was the only one who pnwmom Jul 2016 #43

"not as bad" is a very very low bar loyalsister Jul 2016 #107

Why are you blaming Hillary for not being "transparent" enough pnwmom Jul 2016 #108

There were rules specifically designed to facilitate transparency loyalsister Jul 2016 #109

You're avoiding the point. The reason she could produce those emails pnwmom Jul 2016 #111

So, it was impossible for her to delete anything - ever? loyalsister Jul 2016 #118

At the State Dept in 2011, only .0006% of .gov emails were preserved. pnwmom Jul 2016 #119

Democrats liberalmike27 Jul 2016 #96

Vitter is their problem loyalsister Jul 2016 #100

The bush white house's private email account was set up by Michael Connell Botany Jul 2016 #19

Bingo!!! billhicks76 Jul 2016 #75

This is all well known but the Ohio Dem. Party and the National Dem. Party will not say a word. Botany Jul 2016 #85

Jeff Gannon Scarsdale Jul 2016 #94

And the fire in Cheney's office underpants Jul 2016 #3

Fire? I've never heard about this. nt arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #13

Fire and his missing emails underpants Jul 2016 #21

Interesting, thanks! :) nt arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #34

If what Karl Rove does is our guiding light of right and wrong we are truly screwed krawhitham Jul 2016 #5

We did MUCH better. Hillary retained all her emails and produced them, in paper as the law pnwmom Jul 2016 #8

Well, No not all emails were turned over krawhitham Jul 2016 #53

She has said before that when she sent emails to staffers, she expected pnwmom Jul 2016 #60

Your premise is false--not a single one of us "did it too." MADem Jul 2016 #24

How Did You Get That From The OP? ProfessorGAC Jul 2016 #28

but the media should treat people equally treestar Jul 2016 #44

Pointing out Republican hypocrisy... davekriss Jul 2016 #72

And yet we here at DU were losing our shit when he did it. Cheap_Trick Jul 2016 #6

No, what they did was much, much worse. Hillary produced her emails pnwmom Jul 2016 #11

Except she didn't TeddyR Jul 2016 #54

Comey made it clear he didn't think that was intentional. And it involved pnwmom Jul 2016 #55

No, that's not correct either TeddyR Jul 2016 #58

Because the small number of hers was probably unintentional, due to pnwmom Jul 2016 #59

Ok, I agree that Hillary's transmittal of secret/top secret emails might have been unintentional TeddyR Jul 2016 #61

She didn't lie about it. She couldn't control every email that came in, only the ones pnwmom Jul 2016 #62

But she TeddyR Jul 2016 #64

He doesn't say that she sent any officially classified email. pnwmom Jul 2016 #67

Your arguments are shocking. Rilgin Jul 2016 #76

You don't understand that Hillary was the Head of the State Department -- not an pnwmom Jul 2016 #78

That is a new argument. One used famously by Nixon Rilgin Jul 2016 #113

No. Nixon was making that as a general claim. This relates to a specific procedure, pnwmom Jul 2016 #114

The right thing to do would be to produce all your tax returns, correct? Loki Jul 2016 #91

Yup, there was screaming about it here. And he wasn't even running for president. (n/t) thesquanderer Jul 2016 #12

Here and virtually nowhere else. And he was working for the WH and this was in pnwmom Jul 2016 #16

re: "The standard has always been set higher for her." Or any Dem. thesquanderer Jul 2016 #20

It can be difficult to understand difference in specific instances when your bias relies on that... LanternWaste Jul 2016 #15

Excuse me, but she printed out her emails and provided them to State. MADem Jul 2016 #26

Comey certainly will get his payday GummyBearz Jul 2016 #102

People are in prison for negligence of handling classified information. onecaliberal Jul 2016 #50

Who? MaggieD Jul 2016 #56

James Hitselberger GummyBearz Jul 2016 #103

Who are the "some people" of which you speak? MADem Jul 2016 #104

Did you read the article? GummyBearz Jul 2016 #106

"Showed them to someone else..." "Got ahold of his PHONE..." MADem Jul 2016 #110

False equivalence, but you know that already uponit7771 Jul 2016 #88

"Because he and now she get away with it"? Loki Jul 2016 #90

It's only bad when a Clinton does it mcar Jul 2016 #7

Which buffoonish rule maintains the pretense that two wholly separate instances are precisely the sa LanternWaste Jul 2016 #18

I completely forgot about that.. Peacetrain Jul 2016 #9

Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. So spot on. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #10

DU didn't yawn. Marr Jul 2016 #14

^^^THAT^^^ onecaliberal Jul 2016 #51

IOKIYAR FuzzyRabbit Jul 2016 #17

Exactly. HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #48

It is a real freedom-fest for those in high places. Meanwhile, police are bringing charges silvershadow Jul 2016 #22

That is unrelated to Comey's conclusion about this case. MADem Jul 2016 #27

I was commenting on the OP about Karl Rove. silvershadow Jul 2016 #29

The OP is actually about the difference in the way the Bush regime was treated in contrast to MADem Jul 2016 #33

White House staff communicated via RNC servers and frigging YAHOO MAIL.... MADem Jul 2016 #23

Then there's the aspect of this story that isn't publically known yet. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #38

I raised this with a Trump Guy at the gym and began spewing spittle and vile at me. I laughed. kairos12 Jul 2016 #25

Was Rove privy to state secrets at the highest level? avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #30

Hah! Is that a serious question? Of course he was. pnwmom Jul 2016 #32

+1,000 malaise Jul 2016 #31

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2016 #35

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Under the applicable law, a private AOL account was treated exactly the same as pnwmom Jul 2016 #39

Republicans are corrupt, so they don't prosecute themselves. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #37

Each and every one, Republican or Democrat, mrr303am Jul 2016 #40

People are only indicted and imprisoned for breaking actual criminal laws. pnwmom Jul 2016 #41

Does that include Bernie and the theft of Clinton campaign data? MaggieD Jul 2016 #57

Any politician reguardless of who they are mrr303am Jul 2016 #70

epic kick Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #42

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Encore! When will the M$M give us the truth! ffr Jul 2016 #65

thank you yurbud Jul 2016 #66

I will bet you that they said nothing because there was probably enough in those cstanleytech Jul 2016 #68

didn't rove try to hide stuff as well? MariaThinks Jul 2016 #69

Worse. Rove deliberately leaked Valerie's name to the reporter Robert Novak. pnwmom Jul 2016 #80

Once upon a time there was a man named James Hatfield Loki Jul 2016 #92

+1000! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #97

Yup - your point should be an OP ed on its own MariaThinks Jul 2016 #99

Kick. Rec. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2016 #71

Don't forget which administration and which useless atty. gen'l declined to pursue Bush admin. crime Hoppy Jul 2016 #73

When Obama came into office we were losing 800,000 jobs a month and he had to use pnwmom Jul 2016 #74

A crime is a crime and war crimes are war crimes. Hoppy Jul 2016 #87

Wrong. Our whole country was sinking fast and Obama's first priority pnwmom Jul 2016 #93

So that makes it ok. Hiraeth Jul 2016 #77

It makes it extremely hypocritical and self-serving. They know Hillary pnwmom Jul 2016 #79

Rules do not apply. Got it. Thanks. Hiraeth Jul 2016 #83

No , you haven't figured it out yet. You just think you have. pnwmom Jul 2016 #84

Right. Only follow the good rules. Hiraeth Jul 2016 #115

There was no rule or law barring the use of a private email account. pnwmom Jul 2016 #116

Last paragraph. Jackpot. Thanks. Hiraeth Jul 2016 #117

I've always had a theory of why the media hates the Clintons; ericson00 Jul 2016 #81

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MSM is a degenerate institution. Scientific Jul 2016 #86

There it is then uponit7771 Jul 2016 #89

Just going to correct you. Powell did NOT do 'the same thing'. peace13 Jul 2016 #95

K&R! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #98

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