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Gothmog

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23. You got to be kidding
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jul 2016

Anyone who thinks that these two cases are the same really do not understand the concepts being discussed. The Defendant was not authorized as part of his duties to download and keep the data while sending and receiving e-mails were part of Clinton's duties as Secretary of State. Politico has a good analysis of this case http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-prosecution-past-cases-221744


The examination, which included cases spanning the past two decades, found some with parallels to Clinton’s use of a private server for her emails, but — in nearly all instances that were prosecuted — aggravating circumstances that don’t appear to be present in Clinton’s case.

The relatively few cases that drew prosecution almost always involved a deliberate intent to violate classification rules as well as some add-on element: An FBI agent who took home highly sensitive agency records while having an affair with a Chinese agent; a Boeing engineer who brought home 2000 classified documents and whose travel to Israel raised suspicions; a National Security Agency official who removed boxes of classified documents and also lied on a job application form.

Clinton herself, gearing up for her FBI testimony, said last week that a prosecution is “not gonna happen.” And former prosecutors, investigators and defense attorneys generally agree that prosecution for classified information breaches is the exception rather than the rule, with criminal charges being reserved for cases the government views as the most egregious or flagrant.
“They always involve some ‘plus’ factor. Sometimes that ‘plus’ factor may reach its way into the public record, but more likely it won’t,” one former federal prosecutor said....

Just last year, former Naval Reserve Commander Bryan Nishimura was charged with misdemeanor mishandling of classified information he acquired during his service in Afghanistan. He admitted that he often moved classified data, including satellite imagery, to unclassified systems and brought it back to the U.S. when he returned.

After coming under investigation, Nishimura threw some of the storage media in a Folsom, Calif. lake. He was sentenced to two years probation and a $7,500 fine.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-prosecution-past-cases-221744#ixzz4Deog0zDC
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There was some plus factors for this defendant in that he failed to cooperate and attempted to conceal his crime by throwing material into a lake. The intent to cover up the crime shows intent to violate the law and was a plus factor justifying prosecution. The fact that Petraeaus attempted to conceal his crime is the reason why he was prosecuted.

Again the two cases are not that close from a legal standpoint.

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Good luck getting a substantive response. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #1
Good luck supporting boomer's right-wing family members. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #6
There are lots of substantive responses below. peabody Jul 2016 #19
The article left out that Nishimura also dumped his storage devices into a lake. pnwmom Jul 2016 #27
b/c downloading the info and taking it home tk2kewl Jul 2016 #2
A home computer can also be an unencrypted server on the internet. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2016 #5
If you can't see the difference, then I can't help you. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2016 #3
I agree with your analysis Gothmog Jul 2016 #25
Sure will. One word "malice". tonyt53 Jul 2016 #4
Everyone needs to go back and listen to Comer lapfog_1 Jul 2016 #7
Because it is completely different scscholar Jul 2016 #8
Ahhh virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #13
Not found innocent of what? JTFrog Jul 2016 #17
It doesn't matter what. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #21
They are presumed innocent until proven guilty. n/t JTFrog Jul 2016 #22
The operative word being "presumed" Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #24
Yes, but I was replying to someone who said "she was not found innocent". JTFrog Jul 2016 #26
under the american system one is presumed innocent if not charged, a minor quibble to be sure nt msongs Jul 2016 #20
Sigh. First, the laws governing military and civilians are quite different Maeve Jul 2016 #9
Why is Karl "turd blossom" Rove not in jail for outing Lint Head Jul 2016 #10
Sure, I'll try Proud Public Servant Jul 2016 #11
perfect thanks! boomer55 Jul 2016 #16
Here's just two things. yallerdawg Jul 2016 #12
UCMJ. Clinton never fell under it. N/T actslikeacarrot Jul 2016 #14
He downloaded reams of classified info, illegally copied it and tried to cover up his crimes. hack89 Jul 2016 #15
It's always disappointing when partisan laymen manage to find an irrelevant statute lapucelle Jul 2016 #18
You got to be kidding Gothmog Jul 2016 #23
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