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In reply to the discussion: If you could vote on TPP for America like UK voted on Brexit, how would YOU vote? [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)163. "Obama warned that pulling out of trade deals "is the wrong medicine for dealing with inequality."
Donald Trump's vow to rip up free trade agreements and return America to "economic independence" is not only a strident counter to President Obama's calls for a more interconnected world, but an illustration of a broader debate between advocates of globalization and those who oppose it.
"You can look at Trump's campaign as one big push-back against globalization, and the Britain vote too," said Daniel Cox, director of research at the Public Religion Research Institute, a non-partisan group that analyzes cultural, religious and political trends in the U.S.
In a speech last week, Trump criticized a "leadership class that worships globalism over Americanism." ... a backlash, particularly on the right, to a long-held belief by party elites in the U.S. and Europe that open borders, pro-immigration policies, increased trade and overall international cooperation are the best ways to improve the global economy. ... The next day, Obama, in a speech following a meeting with other North American leaders in Canada, warned that pulling out of trade deals "is the wrong medicine for dealing with inequality."
Obama seems aware that his side is not winning the globalization argument. Even as he continually criticizes Trump, the president is acknowledging the concerns of voters here and abroad who have doubts about globalization. ... He added, "And politicians some sincere, and some entirely cynical will tap that anger and fear, harkening back to bygone days of order and predictability and national glory, arguing that we must rebuild walls and disengage from a chaotic world, or rid ourselves of the supposed ills brought on by immigrants all in order to regain control of our lives."
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/trump-s-obama-s-views-globalization-reflect-broader-gap-n601901
You are right about our historic level of income inequality. We surpassed the previous record set in the late 1920's at the end of a republican era of high tariffs, limited trade and general isolationism.
Obama is right that trade is not the cause of our income inequality. Regressive taxes, weak unions, a shattered safety net, inadequate business regulation - all features of the 1920's and modern America - were then and are now the cause of our record income inequality. Progressive countries with world class income inequality levels, have much more trade than we do but have FDR-like policies on taxes, unions, regulation and the safety net.
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If you could vote on TPP for America like UK voted on Brexit, how would YOU vote? [View all]
nikto
Jun 2016
OP
Speaking of Indonesia, FDR weighed in on it (well on the island of Java actually):
pampango
Jul 2016
#141
Yes. TPP (like the EU is far from perfect) but it is better than sticking with NAFTA and the WTO,
pampango
Jun 2016
#9
I value human rights, labor rights and the environment over the sovereignty of the nation-state
pampango
Jun 2016
#66
"TPP is worse than the WTO and NAFTA with respect to human rights, labor rights and the environment"
Chan790
Jun 2016
#68
"It's rare that the extreme right is right about anything...but they're dead-on FTA's."
pampango
Jun 2016
#78
You can count me as a proponent of withdrawal from NAFTA and destruction of the WTO, TYVM. n/t
Chan790
Jun 2016
#90
"Obama warned that pulling out of trade deals "is the wrong medicine for dealing with inequality."
pampango
Jul 2016
#163
I do, and your terminology suggests you don't, but just read hysterical articles on the Internet
Recursion
Jun 2016
#50
IT's YOU!! Finally, I have found someone who understands the "loss of soverignty" aspect of TPP
nikto
Jun 2016
#55
Tariffs are nationalistic bullshit that will only prop up businesses that can't compete
YoungDemCA
Jun 2016
#75
Protectionist policies are a godsend to business interests and terrible for consumers
YoungDemCA
Jun 2016
#81
Fine...can we at-least concede that they're opposite arms of the pendulum swing...
Chan790
Jun 2016
#91
Important Info for those who are (some perhaps willfully?) blind on Globalization
nikto
Jun 2016
#16
it is basically what happened under the wto - remember how the US passed that
hollysmom
Jun 2016
#53
Murder capitalism? Forget neo-liberalism, it's all the neo-communists running around
ConservativeDemocrat
Jun 2016
#120
I would hope that teh TPP would actually be released for study before we voted on it.
Starry Messenger
Jun 2016
#20
As a Californian, I am sick of referendums on the ballot. We elect people to do a job--do it!
Hekate
Jun 2016
#46
I'd much rather prefer it if China writes the rules of international trade than the US
YoungDemCA
Jun 2016
#70
pretty damn close to reality, there. the only good corporation is a........one.
Gabi Hayes
Jun 2016
#95
I mean, I see the interest in the question. Just curious- why did you not just make it a poll? nt
silvershadow
Jul 2016
#126
This changed my mind on Brexit--Here's the best explanation of Brexit I've heard yet (Audio)
nikto
Jul 2016
#136
Voting for Brexit and a hypothetical about the TPP is no different from implying...
randome
Jul 2016
#142
FDR: Perfectionism, no less than isolationism or imperialism ..., may obstruct the path to
pampango
Jul 2016
#144
Perfectionism is like Trump tearing up every agreement that doesn't make us masters of the world.
randome
Jul 2016
#145
New powers? Like the ISDS? There have been arbitration courts for over 50 years now.
randome
Jul 2016
#153
The Corporate Devil's Dictionary Definition of, "Perfectionism" (as used by Centrist Democrats)
nikto
Jul 2016
#152