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yellowcanine

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22. The P runoff appears to be a calculation, not an actual measurement.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jul 2016

It appears they sprayed the glyphosate on bare soil and then took soil samples and analyzed them for release of P.
It is actually a little hard to tell because the article is not a journal article - it is a popular press article with minimal detail as to methodology.

Problems I see:

1)I don't know anyone who sprays glyphosate on bare soil. It is sprayed on weeds and weeds absorb the vast amount of the glyphosate. The article did speculate about glyphosate on plant residues but imo the speculation was not well informed by actual science.

2)The article says nothing about rates and amount of water used. Without those it is hard to tell how realistic the rates and GPA are relative to actual practice.

3)Without a direct measure of P runoff any conclusions are speculative.

4)What were the P levels in the soil to begin with? This is important, because we know that it is only in soils with very high P levels where there is any risk of P runoff. It is true that no-till fields often have higher levels of P in the top several inches and this in itself might be much more of a factor than anything glyphosate might do in releasing soluble P from soil.

i cant find this study. mopinko Jul 2016 #1
Same here, the hyperbole of the article in question, not to mention its source, makes me... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #2
Not to mention fertilizer itself often containing significant amounts of phosphorus. trotsky Jul 2016 #3
The reference to no-till farming seems to pan that out, it seems likely that... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #5
from the no-till article mopinko Jul 2016 #10
Glyphosate transmutes ordinary water to phosphorus Orrex Jul 2016 #15
Damn you, MONSATAN!!! n/t trotsky Jul 2016 #17
It may not have been published yet Il_Coniglietto Jul 2016 #4
The P runoff appears to be a calculation, not an actual measurement. yellowcanine Jul 2016 #22
If you're on Facebook... HuckleB Jul 2016 #9
Once again, you're posting FUD with no basis in science from questionable blogs Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2016 #6
You don't read threads, do you? Scientific Jul 2016 #7
I do. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2016 #13
AGU PatSeg Jul 2016 #25
Glyphosate can cause cancer - International Agency for Research on Cancer Scientific Jul 2016 #8
it is far safer than the alternatives previously used. mopinko Jul 2016 #11
No longer thought safer womanofthehills Jul 2016 #18
It's still known that it's safer. HuckleB Jul 2016 #20
Slavish devotion to and belief in corporate 'science-PR, Inc.' is tragic Scientific Jul 2016 #12
You're funny. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2016 #14
Don't you wish the TRUE BELIEVER Corporate GMO 'Science' Fundies had a sense of humor, too? Scientific Jul 2016 #19
Keep that tinfoil tight. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2016 #24
LOL! Odin2005 Jul 2016 #16
Just yesterday I slaughtered a black goat on the altar of Science Orrex Jul 2016 #21
I've seen you post a number of times... GaYellowDawg Jul 2016 #23
Oh, amscray.... n/t PasadenaTrudy Jul 2016 #26
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