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This Shocking New York Daily News Cover of Alton Sterling Is Drawing Heavy Responses [View all] DonViejo Jul 2016 OP

Let people see what racist violence looks like. auntpurl Jul 2016 #1

I haven't seen any evidence that the cops involved had a racist history? MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #10

lol. Good one! JNelson6563 Jul 2016 #12

Seriously, we don't even know the name of the cops yet? How did you figure out they're racist? MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #20

see above photo eShirl Jul 2016 #22

Both cops have been ID 'd . One has been involved in another death Person 2713 Jul 2016 #30

Yes. These days thats all it takes. 7962 Jul 2016 #50

The other half were Latinos AllTooEasy Jul 2016 #67

Don't know much about racism, huh? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #89

Yeah Entheory Jul 2016 #109

That IS how racism/white supremacy works. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #111

Like Ice Cube said... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #240

Enough to know it exists among ALL races. 7962 Jul 2016 #206

I suspect you are right, for the wrong reason ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #210

No, not "agents of racism". Actual RACISTS. 7962 Jul 2016 #248

He was bigoted against white people ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #249

Yes, keep segregating us by using excuses of "academics". GREAT idea. 7962 Jul 2016 #250

Why do I try to educate people that claim to be progressives; but, will brook no progress ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #253

You're welcome to your opinions, of course. 7962 Jul 2016 #254

The academics are not my opinion. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #255

Its sad that you find that funny. When we all should feel the same way. 7962 Jul 2016 #257

Is being a racist worse than being a bigot? ... The academics would argue, "No" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #258

Here's the difference: I got in a cop's face recently. And actually drove to find them adigal Jul 2016 #244

Are you serious? MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #28

It's a legitimate question. Cops kill a lot of people; more than 1000 last year in the US... MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #40

Cops killed 1000 last year and half the victims were white? Lottie5 Jul 2016 #45

Latinos are the largest minority at 17% cagefreesoylentgreen Jul 2016 #171

You didn't realize how very disproportionate it is to kill blacks almost 50% of the time? bettyellen Jul 2016 #46

Ok, but the poster I was replying to didn't make a point about the system. MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #48

We should acknowledge the greater likelihood that this man is a victim of racist attitudes that make bettyellen Jul 2016 #49

"...a stupid cop perform an entirely unjustified killing, on any individual of any race" - -You are jtuck004 Jul 2016 #60

I'm not minimizing, I'm asking: What is the "clear and compelling evidence"... MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #64

You are minimizing it - it is racially offensive and dishonest to not acknowledge that we live jtuck004 Jul 2016 #68

In which post did I deny that we live in a racist country? MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #70

"You are minimizing it - it is racially offensive and dishonest to not acknowledge that we clarice Jul 2016 #125

By throwing out deceptive stats that betray the posters ignorance..... bettyellen Jul 2016 #135

With all respect.. which deceptives stats did the poster state?.... clarice Jul 2016 #139

They unthinkingly said that only less than half the time it's a Black person the cop shoots.... bettyellen Jul 2016 #153

Thanks Betty... are there hard stats that reflect those statistics?nt clarice Jul 2016 #155

Obama gave a nice little summary today... But there have been studies for years about LEO targeting bettyellen Jul 2016 #161

I would love to see hard statistics. nt clarice Jul 2016 #175

But not love it enough to do the research or even listen to Obama? Sounds like you don't care. bettyellen Jul 2016 #179

I care very DEEPLY.... but unfortunately... our feelings often lead us into the... clarice Jul 2016 #181

Then google it yourself and stop being so darned uninformed. bettyellen Jul 2016 #182

I'm sorry that you feel that way. But you still haven't given me any hard statistics. Only feelings. clarice Jul 2016 #184

If you actually wanted stats- you'd find them. Enough of your games. Enjoy the ignorant state.... bettyellen Jul 2016 #186

I'll say it one more time..... I came here looking for unvarnished facts, devoid of media spin.. clarice Jul 2016 #190

Here is a good place to start etherealtruth Jul 2016 #169

Washington Post? nuff said. nt clarice Jul 2016 #178

it was a very clear and SIMPLE presentation .... etherealtruth Jul 2016 #200

Yayyys.. thank you SOOO much Miss Etthreel. nt clarice Jul 2016 #202

Here is more information showing PoC are disproportionately targeted (and killed) ... etherealtruth Jul 2016 #203

Waiting. nt clarice Jul 2016 #147

Why the smart-ass remarks? You've been provided with several links. You're making yourself look bad. brush Jul 2016 #226

I am reasonably sure everyone recognizes the disparity ... etherealtruth Jul 2016 #204

There wasn't any deception whatsoever cheapdate Jul 2016 #216

Too much sitting back. Objectively, too fucking many black people are being murdered. jtuck004 Jul 2016 #174

As I previously posted... perhaps this isn't the time for rational debate. Be well my friend. nt clarice Jul 2016 #187

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #151

Are the shooting you reference a sum total, thus lacking the relevant information of victim's action LanternWaste Jul 2016 #84

How many mrsv Jul 2016 #39

Vanilla Ice should have been...just sayin. nt clarice Jul 2016 #97

I shouldn't have... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #241

How many white guys did he shoot, let alone shoot SIX times...of course is was racist. Come on! downeastdaniel Jul 2016 #54

Think about it. Jazzgirl Jul 2016 #55

I wasn't aware that the only unique thing about Alton Sterling as a person was his skin hue? nt MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #66

Who is saying that? Link? Thankyou. uppityperson Jul 2016 #76

"Shot for selling CD's? Seriously? Prove that it wasn't racist." nt MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #88

Nope. Doesn't show your claim that "the only unique thing about Alton Sterling as a person was his uppityperson Jul 2016 #108

You will never win this. pangaia Jul 2016 #197

Thats a nice way to put it. And you're right 7962 Jul 2016 #207

Thanks. pangaia Jul 2016 #209

Racism is fear in it's origin. subject Jul 2016 #234

I think ignorance or 'the unknown,' perhaps comes before the fear. pangaia Jul 2016 #239

It's cute how you argue against points no one is making. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #85

lolz obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #71

History ... Both, past and current. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #86

What the ever loving fuck? You think it's just a coinkydink giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #105

And you are 100% positive that it is NOT his kin? I wish I could do that trick. nt clarice Jul 2016 #127

Yes, I fucking am. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #189

Wow !!!!! that was GREAT !!! I LOVE these sort of irrational retorts.......... clarice Jul 2016 #191

And in addition..... Sister.... If you want to take the gloves off...all you have to do is DU mail clarice Jul 2016 #192

Lol, you're not worth the time. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #224

uh-huh....that's what I thought. nt clarice Jul 2016 #227

What would I want with an over privileged white person giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #232

You are certainly hung up on race. May I suggest that you read the writings of Dr. King? clarice Jul 2016 #235

Lol, don't refer to me as sister first of all. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #236

And as always..... your the one who played the race card first...typical of clarice Jul 2016 #237

Lol, by bringing up the fact that black men are disproportionately giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #238

Happened to 500 whites last year too. And hundreds of latinos. Cops suck. nt MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #132

inconvenient truth uhnope Jul 2016 #170

Nobody is saying it doesn't happen to other people too. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #188

No, but what they are loudly saying is that when it happens to persons of color, IT'S ALWAYS RACIAL. MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #214

Apparently a black person can no longer be a racist. At all. Anywhere. 7962 Jul 2016 #252

Even here, there is denial adigal Jul 2016 #246

We don't know their particular history but we know the history of white cops killing black men Maraya1969 Jul 2016 #215

You're, once again, automatically correlating UNJUSTIFIED KILLING with RACIALLY MOTIVATED KILLING. MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #221

Because of history Lunabell Jul 2016 #218

They didn't have to be overtly racist. Chemisse Jul 2016 #219

"but they don't relate to the black man." - How does that explain multiple officers of color... MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #222

Good question. I would suggest their alliance to the 'blue' is more important to them. Chemisse Jul 2016 #231

You have white cops standing next to a lynching they performed. msanthrope Jul 2016 #220

I agree still_one Jul 2016 #126

And I think they should post the image on electronic billboards 47of74 Jul 2016 #129

PS. You should probably put a graphic image warning in the title auntpurl Jul 2016 #2

+1 KMOD Jul 2016 #6

Graphic. But necessary. calimary Jul 2016 #38

We don't often see white bodies on newspaper covers. Brickbat Jul 2016 #3

Good point. LuvNewcastle Jul 2016 #69

Exactly right. Brickbat Jul 2016 #92

I really doubt that's why it ran... fullautohotdog Jul 2016 #119

Okay then. LuvNewcastle Jul 2016 #123

^this^ yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #201

Their questions about a newspaper taking things too far are misplaced Laughing Mirror Jul 2016 #4

+1 sarae Jul 2016 #29

Or "why don't other newspapers take it far enough?" lostnfound Jul 2016 #41

The cops took it too far malaise Jul 2016 #5

Nah, let folk see what this kind of scary cop shit does to people uponit7771 Jul 2016 #7

Yes...and I would like to get rid of cops all together.... clarice Jul 2016 #199

Well done, Daily News. It's time that the general public LEARNS what their militarized, Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #8

yeah, if this doesn't wake people up, what will? Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #27

It won't wake many up... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #242

I think it's time people see exactly what is happening here mcar Jul 2016 #9

Malaise, Surya, Mcar and others beat me to it. Sometimes the ugly brutal truth must be shown.nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #11

I at least hope some consideration was given to the Sterling family Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #101

I hear you, but sometimes the interest in justice outweighs the desires of anyone else including the stevenleser Jul 2016 #116

Cover got it right! They killed an unarmed man! nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #13

Maybe this is what's necessary? TCJ70 Jul 2016 #14

Wow, even though the OP title said it was "shocking" reflection Jul 2016 #15

k and r..........nt Stuart G Jul 2016 #16

People need to see this. boston bean Jul 2016 #17

When they still point a gun at a dying man alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #18

Show it. This is an American story that happens every day. Show it. betsuni Jul 2016 #19

I support the NYDN showing the ugly reality of American life today. closeupready Jul 2016 #21

The 2 videos I saw did not show a gun in his hands IronLionZion Jul 2016 #23

They took a gun out of his pocket Nevernose Jul 2016 #36

The information we have so far is that the gun was IN HIS POCKET. calimary Jul 2016 #37

So heartbreaking. TexasMommaWithAHat Jul 2016 #24

Murder SHOULD be shocking! redwitch Jul 2016 #25

Totally the right thing Calculating Jul 2016 #26

At the end of World War II Germans were made to go see Nazi death camps. 47of74 Jul 2016 #32

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #47

Exactly!! Great point. FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #137

+1 stage left Jul 2016 #229

And people started turning against the VietNam war... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #243

only when people SEE what is going on will they pay any attention to it.... NoMoreRepugs Jul 2016 #31

But people also only pay attention to what they SEE is going on. Igel Jul 2016 #106

My only problem with it is the victim's 15-year-old son will see that picture. tclambert Jul 2016 #33

Some get a thrill in killing PeoViejo Jul 2016 #34

HAS to be shown packman Jul 2016 #35

I know it's their job to shock people and sell newspapers Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #42

But Black Lives Matter are called "thugs" on DU for their inconvenient protesting. arcane1 Jul 2016 #43

Do you think the extortion in Toronto was thuggery? Hoppy Jul 2016 #51

The definition of thug is "A violent criminal" arcane1 Jul 2016 #52

Good God no. Bradical79 Jul 2016 #83

When the sit-in will only end when the victim agrees to the perpetrator's terms. Hoppy Jul 2016 #110

So sit-ins are just thugs extorting people now? -nt Bradical79 Jul 2016 #128

When you obtain something through force or threats, its extortion. Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #130

Ridiculous Bradical79 Jul 2016 #134

I suggest you re-read the extortion that took place in Toronto. Hoppy Jul 2016 #167

He didn't engage in sit-ins? Bradical79 Jul 2016 #172

Are filibusters extortion? (the talking kind) (nt) TacoD Jul 2016 #162

Fiibusters are a practice that was agreed upon by both parties. Hoppy Jul 2016 #166

Or, the Congressional sit-in... Bradical79 Jul 2016 #173

Valid point, there. ut I guess your point here doesn't matter because Congress hasn't passed Hoppy Jul 2016 #211

Good for them. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #44

Good lord. Agschmid Jul 2016 #53

That is horrible for my eyes. And it's just a photo... Quantess Jul 2016 #56

Does anyone know about Alton's history? nt clarice Jul 2016 #57

It doesn't matter MFM008 Jul 2016 #73

What does it matter? nt uppityperson Jul 2016 #78

I like to get my facts straight....and you? nt clarice Jul 2016 #80

Prior record doesn't matter, still should not be shot multiple times like he was. nt uppityperson Jul 2016 #82

What facts? Bradical79 Jul 2016 #90

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #91

Honestly SBM...I'm a little disappointed. I've always enjoyed your intelligent rational posts.nt clarice Jul 2016 #94

History has shown that those "waiting for the victim's 'background' ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #99

And you automatically assumed that I was doing the same? nt clarice Jul 2016 #102

Believe it or not ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #107

It's all good my friend...these are terrible times. nt clarice Jul 2016 #117

I thought that there might be additional facts.....your snarkieness aside. As I.. clarice Jul 2016 #93

Since you think that was snarky Bradical79 Jul 2016 #113

Yes... that's all I wanted to know... sorry for the misunderstanding. nt clarice Jul 2016 #118

It's not a misunderstanding Bradical79 Jul 2016 #131

Because I abhor violence in every form......I am very loath to become judge , jury, and .... clarice Jul 2016 #143

Do you know what jurisprudence is? Bradical79 Jul 2016 #156

I did not say that it was justified... please control your emotions. nt clarice Jul 2016 #157

Do you know what jurisprudence is? Bradical79 Jul 2016 #168

Wow ... +1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #225

Waiting. nt clarice Jul 2016 #148

Those are good questions about him, would help us learn more about him uppityperson Jul 2016 #114

I think that you nailed it. nt clarice Jul 2016 #122

Thought I'd put this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #223

No matter how many black men the cops kill awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #245

Horrible....does anyone know for a fact whether he did or did not have a gun? clarice Jul 2016 #58

Believe it or not... druidity33 Jul 2016 #138

I hear you... but if I call in a burglery at my home.... clarice Jul 2016 #141

Sorry.... I don't have the stomach to watch the video....was Mr. Sterling resisting arrest? nt clarice Jul 2016 #59

They tased him and then wrestled him to the ground, the store clerk said he didn't know what was uponit7771 Jul 2016 #62

Did he have a gun? clarice Jul 2016 #63

yes, they only got it after he was killed.. he didn't have it in his hands uponit7771 Jul 2016 #65

I also heard that he had a long police record. Any truth to that? As you.... clarice Jul 2016 #72

Why does that matter? They had no idea who he was before murdering him! ecstatic Jul 2016 #74

Relax.....I wasn't IMPLYING anything.... in fact.. I resent your tone.. I was only.... clarice Jul 2016 #75

Whatever. I made a general statement, did not call you out ecstatic Jul 2016 #77

Yes...you did... you IMPLIED that by my asking a question about the victim's background, clarice Jul 2016 #79

I resent your tone. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #96

I resent your quick alert button finger. nt clarice Jul 2016 #98

Regarding why he had a gun, and about his sex offender issue, a bit and a link uppityperson Jul 2016 #81

This story just becomes sadder and more tragic. Hortensis Jul 2016 #87

Thank you... that's what I was looking for. nt clarice Jul 2016 #95

Ah, you were seeking prior criminal history. Gotcha. I'd like to know more about him as a person uppityperson Jul 2016 #115

I wonder why this matters in this instance. boston bean Jul 2016 #100

As I mentioned.... just looking for the facts. nt clarice Jul 2016 #103

Even if it is a fact, why would it matter? boston bean Jul 2016 #104

When trying to formulate a rational opinion..... I've learned to collect all of the facts. nt clarice Jul 2016 #120

They had no idea at the time. So, IMHO it is completely irrelevant to the circumstances. boston bean Jul 2016 #121

And these are the facts that I am trying to assimilate. Thanks BB. nt clarice Jul 2016 #124

No, you haven't Bradical79 Jul 2016 #140

I can only wish that I was as clairvoyant as you are. nt clarice Jul 2016 #142

Clairvoiance? It's your claims vs. your actions Bradical79 Jul 2016 #144

To a simple mind perhaps. I tried to be nice... but you refused. nt clarice Jul 2016 #145

You did no such thing Bradical79 Jul 2016 #163

I can see that this is no time for a clear headed discussion... emotions are running too high... clarice Jul 2016 #177

No thanks Bradical79 Jul 2016 #194

Well....it's a shame.. you have to live in that head....glad I don't. Peace and love. nt clarice Jul 2016 #195

And in addition... I will leave you with this quote.... clarice Jul 2016 #180

Felons can own guns in Louisiana Nevernose Jul 2016 #149

Yes... that would have been a good start. nt clarice Jul 2016 #152

But up thread you said you want to see the facts... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #247

Something like that... you're pretty sharp. nt clarice Jul 2016 #259

And you manage awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #260

ummmmm ok. nt clarice Jul 2016 #261

yeah the 'good' americans heaven05 Jul 2016 #61

They need to rub this in their faces MFM008 Jul 2016 #112

I will post what I posted in another magazine forum on this same photo below benld74 Jul 2016 #133

And whom would you replace them with? nt clarice Jul 2016 #146

People who are not afraid to do their job. Better cops who can deal with people without the continua uppityperson Jul 2016 #183

Perhaps it is an issue of increasing their salary to attract better candidates? nt clarice Jul 2016 #185

I thought of going into law enforcement but realized I'd burn out due to the culture uppityperson Jul 2016 #193

I do know one thing... I could NEVER do that job. nt clarice Jul 2016 #196

If you can say... liberalmuse Jul 2016 #136

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #160

I do not see a weapon anywhere near him CanonRay Jul 2016 #150

I believe it was in his pocket. nt clarice Jul 2016 #158

As Jackie said of her bloodied pink suit: "Let them see what they've done." WinkyDink Jul 2016 #154

Wow... THERE'S a stretch. nt clarice Jul 2016 #159

I don't think so. BTW: I hope you know that every h.s. kid in the US is shown the ACTUAL ASSASSINA- WinkyDink Jul 2016 #164

Do you think that the police killed JFK ? nt clarice Jul 2016 #176

I don't believe that for a second. MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #228

It's sad, but shocking headlines may wake SOME people up. raven mad Jul 2016 #165

What I do not understand is why did the police shoot him 3-4 times in the riversedge Jul 2016 #198

This is supposed to upset people.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #205

Graphic photo, but people need to see what happens when cops overstep their authority. Beacool Jul 2016 #208

It is what it is angrychair Jul 2016 #212

One big reason the public turned against the Vietnam War . . . OldRedneck Jul 2016 #213

I don't think they took it too far... ut oh Jul 2016 #217

No words Faux pas Jul 2016 #230

I would hardly describe the News as "left-leaning". KamaAina Jul 2016 #233

Every newspaper in America should have printed this photo or one like it. LonePirate Jul 2016 #251

The truth on these racist murders committed by cops is shocking. marble falls Jul 2016 #256