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sudopod

(5,019 posts)
26. Oh kaaaaaaay...
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 04:49 AM
Jun 2012

I was being serious. It's common among people everywhere to think that they've got some special insight into whatever it is they're "in to" at the moment, as if experts in the field are bound by convention and unable to see an "obvious" answer. Go on a science website and see how many folks think that they can build a perpetual motion machine. Now, are those people dumb? Mostly, the answer is no. Many of them are actually educated people, and often as not have tangentially related degrees (i.e. engineers). The only thing that they suffer from, other than a mild case of hubris, is the Dunning-Kruger effect, which seems to be a design flaw (lel) in the human brain rather than a character defect. What kind of freshman physics major doesn't think that they're going to invent a warp engine?

The only solution is education, which, upon consumption, tends to mellow into humility with repeated doses.

Morality without religion is a thing in some philosophical circles, and as a hard-nosed scientist I am not the best expert on modern thought in this direction. However, it only takes a little work to find some good summaries of people who have done work in this area. Like always with Wikipedia, the value isn't in the article itself, but in its value as an aggregator of source material. The "references" section is rich with informative goodness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality_without_religion

Among the philosophical arguments found there is this meatier nugget, a bit of science in the form of a paper from the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science, which you might find interesting.

My Brother's Keeper? Compassion Predicts Generosity More Among Less Religious Individuals
Laura R. Saslow, Robb Willer, Matthew Feinberg, Paul K. Piff, Katharine Clark, Dacher Keltner
and Sarina R. Saturn, Social Psychological and Personality Science published online 26 April 2012,
DOI: 10.1177/1948550612444137

A download-able PDF is hosted at UC-Berkely here:

http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm

Moreover, there are a large number of religions and belief systems that have very little of what we'd recognize as the Divine Carrot and Stick, especially in the forms of Heaven and Hell. Many religions believe that the soul dissolves with the body at the time of death, notably Taoism, several of the western-style polytheisms, and some strains of Judaisim. Others believe that the afterlife is uniformly bad, regardless of how one lives ones life, such as Shintoism and the ancient Mayan religion (though you got a ticket to heaven if you were a sacrificial victim!). A nice summary of several world religions' views on the afterlife can be found here:

http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm

Now, if you'll excuse me, there is a ravening horde of Taoists looting my car that I must attend to, brb.



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"Imagine there's no heaven..." [View all] limpyhobbler Jun 2012 OP
My guess is Anna Politkovskaya wavesofeuphoria Jun 2012 #1
I was gonna guess hfojvt Jun 2012 #4
that could be limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #14
why are gandhi & (i guess) king supposedly supporting "no religion"? they were both religious. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #2
I think maybe they are just limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #11
the dreamers are the ones who can imagine no religion. doesn't matter which panels they are in, HiPointDem Jun 2012 #16
I find that to be a really, really depressing thought hfojvt Jun 2012 #3
Why we can't have nice things. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #5
Because god and heaven have the market on an afterlife? FreeState Jun 2012 #6
+1 Shankapotomus Jun 2012 #28
living for today has nothing to do with grab all one can unless that's ones ethics already nt msongs Jun 2012 #7
You just might be the first person here that I believe actually would behave that badly. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #9
again though hfojvt Jun 2012 #10
Is it really? sudopod Jun 2012 #13
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #19
I don't hate religious types Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #25
Oh kaaaaaaay... sudopod Jun 2012 #26
kick nt sudopod Jun 2012 #32
And, of course... WillParkinson Jun 2012 #38
You really have no clue how normal people think or what they feel, do you? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #17
well I do know there are at least two ways to be abnormal hfojvt Jun 2012 #20
A smart friend once told me that the difference between morals and ethics. sudopod Jun 2012 #12
I am very nihilistic, but I don't even like to be rude on DU. ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #18
No. Not at all. HuckleB Jun 2012 #21
That's lovely stopwastingmymoney Jun 2012 #31
Some good reads. HuckleB Jun 2012 #22
It's a common mistake, equating "Grabbing what you can" with material things pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #23
Imagine all of us rotting in the ground in less than 120 years - forever Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #24
If there is no Heaven or Hell, shouldn't we then do what we can to make life easier for those RC Jun 2012 #29
It may be depressing, but that doesn't change a thing Taverner Jun 2012 #33
Well it's true so you better get over it LOL snooper2 Jun 2012 #34
So very many people... LanternWaste Jun 2012 #35
Wow. Hissyspit Jun 2012 #37
Ann Wright? UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #8
Could be. it does fit. limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #15
Love the cameo by the "Trololo guy" Ken Burch Jun 2012 #27
"Anna" could have been Anne Frank - but I realize it's someone else. LeftinOH Jun 2012 #30
if only John were still alive magnifisense Jun 2012 #36
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