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Travis_0004

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37. Its not an issue of cost, its an issue of bulk and weight

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:19 AM

Jul 2016

The technology just isn't there to design a vest to stop rifle rounds that is also small and lightweight.

Swat teams will wear a vest that will stop rifles, but they are only wearing it for short periods of time.

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Rifle identified in Dallas shootings as an SKS. Semi-auto - typically 10rnd fixed mag EDIT - OR NOT. [View all] jmg257 Jul 2016 OP

. RandySF Jul 2016 #1

Ah - heavily modded...thanks! Nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #2

. RandySF Jul 2016 #3

I realize that has a detachable magazine Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #4

Is that the actual rifle used in the Dallas shooting or just an example of a modified one? aikoaiko Jul 2016 #6

So far, I have not seen any official image (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #8

I assume the actual one is pretty damaged from the robobomb AntiBank Jul 2016 #16

Maybe so but that could have been the gun he bought on Armslist aikoaiko Jul 2016 #22

OMG! That poor SKS! Heeeeers Johnny Jul 2016 #86

I don't know who Ivan Chesnokov is, but I want to to shake his hand. Chan790 Jul 2016 #114

Ivan is a purist. Heeeeers Johnny Jul 2016 #123

Who Knows? SuperDutyTX Jul 2016 #5

Yep. Obviously he used its lethal capabilities. I wonder how many gun yahoos will be buying one or Hoyt Jul 2016 #9

SKS Info. SuperDutyTX Jul 2016 #10

Truthfully, your lethal weapons knowledge is not impressive. You might want to try the Gungeon. Hoyt Jul 2016 #13

It wasn't SuperDutyTX Jul 2016 #14

Depends on the subject. Hoyt Jul 2016 #15

I respectfully disagree SuperDutyTX Jul 2016 #17

Enjoy your gunz and the damage they do. Hoyt Jul 2016 #18

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #19

Gun grabbers love ignorance Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #25

Pointing out an SKS a 70-yr old design isn't what they want to hear NickB79 Jul 2016 #70

That would be a ridiculous statement no matter what the topic. Truly. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2016 #106

Hence, the preoccupation of media outlets after a fatal stabbing to identify the weapon as a... LanternWaste Jul 2016 #134

I'm 100% against any of these being legal, but this is petty. MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #32

I agree Esse Quam Videri Jul 2016 #35

SKS ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #87

An AR-15 Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #103

Stop harassing DU members for discussing the OP topic aikoaiko Jul 2016 #38

The Gun Nomenclature game is a waste of time, we've heard it before from you guys. Hoyt Jul 2016 #52

We've certainly heard your shtick ad nauseam, but no one tells you to take it GCRA. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #55

Hoyt doesn't post in GCRA. n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #96

That wasn't the point, but thank you. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #99

Right. Instead, let's ban something without defining it. Straw Man Jul 2016 #83

If you expect to regulate firearms, you must be specific in definitions in order to do so. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #97

So knowledge is bad, who knew? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #60

Anti-intellectualism in American culture. Igel Jul 2016 #74

Gosh, wouldn't it be just strange SheilaT Jul 2016 #7

If I recall, that was the main argument back in '94... Use of AWs against LE. jmg257 Jul 2016 #11

Actually, given the incredible SheilaT Jul 2016 #12

Has the number of civilians killed by cops increased? Recursion Jul 2016 #51

I think it's more the widespread use of cellphones and video capability NickB79 Jul 2016 #71

from fivethirtyeight puffy socks Jul 2016 #78

I'm under the distinct impression that SheilaT Jul 2016 #82

There are many, many people in LE at all levels DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #30

YES. Almost any gun control measure is strongly supported by LEOs. MH1 Jul 2016 #42

Exactly DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #50

Gun control needs to include LEO's Calculating Jul 2016 #72

are you saying you want police to be banned from carrying guns? frankieallen Jul 2016 #95

A vanilla SKS is an excellent rifle Bonx Jul 2016 #20

Excuse my ignorance but Esse Quam Videri Jul 2016 #33

The terms can be a little confusing, but here is a decent explanation. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #44

Just keep the firing pin nice and clean.... Adrahil Jul 2016 #62

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #21

Dude hit 12 cops and killed 5 alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #23

Explanation. Straw Man Jul 2016 #24

Nor would this weapon TeddyR Jul 2016 #57

sure sign of a gun humper Skittles Jul 2016 #107

I heard he was shooting bulletproof vest piercing rounds. B Calm Jul 2016 #26

Are those available to the public?? DCBob Jul 2016 #27

Not suppose to be. B Calm Jul 2016 #29

Yeah. Thats what i would suspect but you never know in this country. DCBob Jul 2016 #41

Most centerfire rifles will pierce soft body armor. Calculating Jul 2016 #75

My Remington 700, and scores of similar "deer rifles," will pierce the best armor. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #90

You must be so proud. DCBob Jul 2016 #91

Of what, DC? Quit trying to be coy when the mere recitation of facts is made. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #92

Your cop killing guns stink. DCBob Jul 2016 #93

You seem quite hateful. My rifle is standard equipment for hunting deer. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #94

I only hate guns that kill innocent people. DCBob Jul 2016 #100

I hate alcohol that kills innocent people Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #104

Alcohol sale and use are heavily regulated as guns should be. DCBob Jul 2016 #110

They are Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #111

Those regs help but clearly we need more. DCBob Jul 2016 #113

Nice you admit they are regulated Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #116

The purchase of alcohol requires a background check? Marengo Jul 2016 #122

Alcohol can used by minors and carried openly on public streets? DCBob Jul 2016 #125

Consumption of alcohol by minors has been reduced to zero? Marengo Jul 2016 #127

Anyone ordering a Coors Lite oughta be checked. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #129

My contempt is directed toward those who kill innocent people. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #128

Police vest are designed to stop handgun rounds Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #34

So do we need better vests for police? B Calm Jul 2016 #36

Its not an issue of cost, its an issue of bulk and weight Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #37

I know you are right about how heavy they are. My neighbors son B Calm Jul 2016 #39

At least it offers more protection than the useless flak vest I had to suffer LOL Marengo Jul 2016 #85

A modern vest with slapp plates will weigh a little over 30lbs. oneshooter Jul 2016 #105

No soft vest would stop any rifle round Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #61

A hunting bullet from a bolt-action deer rifle will penetrate a vest NickB79 Jul 2016 #73

skss are an assault weapon .. stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #28

Not by any definition by law are stock SKSs considered assault weapons.... aikoaiko Jul 2016 #40

Sounds like it is just a matter of changing the definition. MH1 Jul 2016 #43

Yes and no. If you include the standard SKS rifle in the definition of an assault weapon, you would aikoaiko Jul 2016 #46

I'm sure a clever and motivated intelligent person could solve that problem. MH1 Jul 2016 #47

Go for it because we don't seem to have any clever or motivated intelligent people in congress. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #49

Unfortunately (ok not really) I have a day job that pays well. MH1 Jul 2016 #54

My idea would be this hollowdweller Jul 2016 #59

Don't worry about the billions in circulation? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #63

There are 2 problems with this suggestion Calista241 Jul 2016 #142

Of course we are not just talking AR magazines Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #143

Clever people have tried for decades with no success NickB79 Jul 2016 #76

seems legit ! stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #45

Even in the great anti-assault weapon state of California, standard SKSs are not assault weapons... aikoaiko Jul 2016 #48

Those are great points TeddyR Jul 2016 #58

Descartes: I think therefore I am. Igel Jul 2016 #77

I can't think of any assault weapons ban ever proposed that would include them Recursion Jul 2016 #53

yup - and it usually has a folding bayonet jpak Jul 2016 #56

Easily removed to make it a non assault weapon Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #65

5 dead LEOs do not agree jpak Jul 2016 #66

Typical non response Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #68

Typical non-response to assault gun massacres jpak Jul 2016 #101

Irrelevant. Straw Man Jul 2016 #79

You can get them with detachable magazines jpak Jul 2016 #84

Once more, with feeling. Straw Man Jul 2016 #88

assault weapons = mass murder weapons = no place in civilized society jpak Jul 2016 #89

because you say so. frankieallen Jul 2016 #98

Because of evidence - and graves jpak Jul 2016 #102

So an SKS with a fixed magazine Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #112

5 dead LEOs jpak Jul 2016 #137

It appears to not have been an SKS Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #139

Here we go 'round the mulberry bush. Straw Man Jul 2016 #124

Again - gunners do not control the vocabulary any more jpak Jul 2016 #138

The law does Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #140

The LAW sez DuckHunters are limited to 3 rounds in their magazines jpak Jul 2016 #141

Of course I don't hunt Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #144

Go ahead and put it into a proposal. Straw Man Jul 2016 #145

"Control the vocabulary"? Straw Man Jul 2016 #146

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #31

Not an assault weapon? Matrosov Jul 2016 #64

ALL semi-autos "do the exact same thing" as an AR. They ALL self load the next round jmg257 Jul 2016 #67

The function is the same as as any semi-automatic weapon Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #69

Correction. Straw Man Jul 2016 #80

I stand corrected Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #81

+1 Rex Jul 2016 #117

I don't give a flying fuck what it was Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #108

+1 Rex Jul 2016 #109

Or a way of writing effective legislation. "Killing device that spat bullets" might be tough to work jmg257 Jul 2016 #118

How about a law that reads "No Fucking Guns" Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #119

NOW you're talking - straight and to the point. No guess work, no loopholes. nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #121

My guns don't fuck! Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #130

It's time to screen people, not guns... Sancho Jul 2016 #115

Big majority of pro-2A DUers favor universal background checks. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #131

Background checks as currently done are pretty useless at the point of sale.... Sancho Jul 2016 #132

Way too unconstitutional. I do support a proficiency test for carrying in public... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #133

Everything here is constitutional.... Sancho Jul 2016 #136

I have an SKS that was given to me 10 years ago...never shot it. ileus Jul 2016 #120

Not really all that surprised. Wayburn Jul 2016 #126

Since this cropped again - new info says this was an AK-74, a typical assault weapon. nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #135