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MirrorAshes

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145. I'm not uncomfortable with it at all-

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 11:15 AM

Jul 2016

And I am grouping many types of guns together because they all share the same thing in common--they are tools of murder.

I agree with you we cannot fight from a position of ignorance. But too often we get caught up in these technical distinctions which DO derail the bigger picture, the bigger goal--to end this scourge of violence in our country.

When it comes time to write the laws, the experts will make all of this very clear. The layman does not need to know every detail to help enact change. The point is to stop cowering before the gun lobby, and speak harsh truths to people like yourself. I respect you and your opinions. But I am also advocating that you make sacrifices for the greater good.

I'm not the guy who will make or break the argument. I'm just one voice saying enough is enough, and asking people to join me in saying so.

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Gun lovers are just going to have to give up assault rifles. [View all] morningfog Jul 2016 OP

Good luck with that, we can't even get agreement on DU n/t doc03 Jul 2016 #1

DU has a few vocal gun fetishists. morningfog Jul 2016 #2

Well I happen to agree with you, morningfog. calimary Jul 2016 #37

totally agree RazBerryBeret Jul 2016 #339

No, I have been here over 10 years pipoman Jul 2016 #338

There were Democrats who didn't want, or believe in, civil rights in the 60's, too. villager Jul 2016 #156

Its a modern sporting rifle SpookyDem Jul 2016 #3

Which bears an amazing resemblance to weapons first designed by the Nazis. NT Jerry442 Jul 2016 #6

What modern gun are you comparing to which nazi rifle? SpookyDem Jul 2016 #27

How about this one. Jerry442 Jul 2016 #65

Top one is a 22 LR nt michreject Jul 2016 #106

The first one is NOT an StG 44 MohRokTah Jul 2016 #264

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #30

Sporting rifle... What does that mean? 3Stones Jul 2016 #19

For sportsing of course SpookyDem Jul 2016 #25

Who the fuck uses an AR-15 for "sport"? MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #31

I use them for target shooting and coyote/pig hunting SpookyDem Jul 2016 #34

And you need an AR-15 for that? MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #57

What kind of fun should he use? NT Adrahil Jul 2016 #90

Something that can't be used to murder dozens of people in minutes would be a start. nt. MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #103

So no semi-auto handguns either? TeddyR Jul 2016 #116

Personally, I want them all banned. MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #131

Look, I completely respect your opinion TeddyR Jul 2016 #134

I appreciate the civil discussion, truly MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #138

Thank you TeddyR Jul 2016 #141

This is exactly what we need. Scruffy1 Jul 2016 #159

Do you want to stop mass shootings, or the quotidian gun violence? sir pball Jul 2016 #394

I want to do both. MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #397

i totally agree with you. I'm absolutely DONE enabling violence trueblue2007 Jul 2016 #244

Here's how you accomplish that. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #266

The amendment is silly in today's real world MyNameGoesHere Jul 2016 #375

No, you don't understand the opriginal intent at all. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #376

Sorry your opinion MyNameGoesHere Jul 2016 #377

Hard to write that into a law. Adrahil Jul 2016 #118

None of these killing machines are acceptable. MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #132

Not even for hunters? Marengo Jul 2016 #157

Hunters can find a new hobby. MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #168

Ah, the voice of ignorance. But, please continue to roll with that "hobby" nonsense... Marengo Jul 2016 #169

Ahh, the voice of an enabler. MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #271

Do you believe all hunting is for sport? Marengo Jul 2016 #407

What's your plan for.... Adrahil Jul 2016 #269

Sound's like "Bungalow Bill" SheriffBob Jul 2016 #162

Difficult but not impossible. See post #266 for a detailed step by step how to guide. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #267

Any gun can be used to murder dozens of people, or even a knife or bomb jack_krass Jul 2016 #336

Not based on need michreject Jul 2016 #108

So it is a toy to you and could be replaced with a shotgun for hunting KeepItReal Jul 2016 #127

you could but shotguns are not practical, for this range/type of hunting SpookyDem Jul 2016 #354

Nope. I use an actual military-issue sniper rifle for hunting. sir pball Jul 2016 #390

The majority of those who own them. beevul Jul 2016 #41

Ignorance you say? MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #54

Well.... Adrahil Jul 2016 #93

What a lovely straw-man. MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #98

Murder is illegal too. Adrahil Jul 2016 #120

Haven't seen too many felonious gun violent perps get a pat on the back. They too are typically jmg257 Jul 2016 #363

I don't get your point at all. Driving drunk is illegal, and other activities drunk MillennialDem Jul 2016 #104

Murdering someone is illegal too. Adrahil Jul 2016 #124

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #146

No. Ignorance is believing that any majority share your opinion. beevul Jul 2016 #170

Target shooting is a sport Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #179

3 gun competition shooters. ileus Jul 2016 #381

The Germans, they LOVE the AR but hate our sloppy manufacturing. sir pball Jul 2016 #393

It seems the sport they refer to is... liberal N proud Jul 2016 #128

Shooting guns is not a sport SheriffBob Jul 2016 #163

ahhhh the voice of ignorance melm00se Jul 2016 #180

Olympics also sees curling as a sport. liberal N proud Jul 2016 #194

No it takes skill Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #185

You have to make sure that trigger finger is properly stretched liberal N proud Jul 2016 #187

Pulling a trigger doesn't mean you're going to hit anything. beevul Jul 2016 #199

Me, my Loving Wife, and all three of our sons shoot HighPower. oneshooter Jul 2016 #258

The fact that something is hard doesn't make it a sport mythology Jul 2016 #344

It requires more than "physical strength" oneshooter Jul 2016 #346

Is it a sport if it's in the Olympics? nt sir pball Jul 2016 #391

Who on earth should respect anything you have to say on this subject after that ignorant gem. Marengo Jul 2016 #341

flame SheriffBob Jul 2016 #383

Then come on out to a match, and show us how easy it is. oneshooter Jul 2016 #384

LOL! It's rare to see a such a public display of profound ignorance on a subject. But... Marengo Jul 2016 #387

You are SheriffBob Jul 2016 #412

It's not the guns, even, it's the NRA. Barack_America Jul 2016 #4

It's BOTH. calimary Jul 2016 #38

^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #69

its not the NRA, it is the gun culture they represent Amishman Jul 2016 #88

This is fairly accurate TeddyR Jul 2016 #117

The NRA isn't about members SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #126

I'm not familiar with their funding TeddyR Jul 2016 #130

It's not for lack of funding EL34x4 Jul 2016 #151

Actually, that would be the NSSF. N/T beevul Jul 2016 #171

Bloomberg has more money than the NRA Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #188

Completely wrong pipoman Jul 2016 #343

The death toll due to "gun culture" is strange. Igel Jul 2016 #147

Unfortunately, you are right. Scruffy1 Jul 2016 #158

The 2nd Amendment hasn't a thing to do with "need" or "hunting"....nothing pipoman Jul 2016 #345

In which conflict(s) did your grandfather win 3 silver stars? What was the branch of service? Marengo Jul 2016 #404

Don't forget the 90-100 million gun owners. That's a whole bunch of people. nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #123

disagree SheriffBob Jul 2016 #164

Open carry is totally idiotic Motley13 Jul 2016 #5

My son best friend is a concealed and carry person. I asked him why B Calm Jul 2016 #56

His possession of a firearm makes him on average 8.5 times more KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #80

When these two boys were growing up together I insisted they B Calm Jul 2016 #83

Sorry to belabor the point. you can be the safest gun-owner in the history of the known universe and KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #91

Cite your source, please. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #112

nah, not going to get in a pissing match with gun humpers. - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #114

I think people are starting to get it. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #119

At least you admit what your statistics are composed of. former9thward Jul 2016 #177

Heh-heh. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #193

At least you seem to admit Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #191

You cite lies and pretend those who point it out are the problem.... pipoman Jul 2016 #347

Well, not totally idiotic. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #270

The humpers are going to swarm this, but of course you are right. Squinch Jul 2016 #7

If you put them all on ignore, it makes things almost tolerable. SwankyXomb Jul 2016 #23

One reason that nothing gets done in this country TeddyR Jul 2016 #122

Add me jack_krass Jul 2016 #356

How about rifles with 10 round fixed mags, like the SKS? nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #8

I have a Savage Arms .22 Semi-auto with a 10 round mag. Assault rifle? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #32

.22 caliber firearms kill a lot of people annually. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #337

But then how would they resist a tyrannical government / kill cops? ...I mean...er...Constitution! alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #9

Yeah, ask them who exactly they plan to shoot and when? Jerry442 Jul 2016 #66

Technical Note: Hitler was "appointed," not "elected." The Nazi Party KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #81

Fair point. Jerry442 Jul 2016 #85

Van Papen and the conservatives around Hindenburg thought they could "control".and KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #89

{Sigh} Remember when "Godwin's Law" was an obscure Internet meme? NT Jerry442 Jul 2016 #92

Right, because people willing to murder never do anything illegal. appal_jack Jul 2016 #10

Why not make it harder for the murderous fucks, as you say? morningfog Jul 2016 #11

No & no at present. appal_jack Jul 2016 #12

Of course it would make it harder. morningfog Jul 2016 #14

Jesus... G_j Jul 2016 #18

+1 n/t IL Lib Jul 2016 #22

remember this? AntiBank Jul 2016 #47

Yes, fire extinguishers are for cowards too. appal_jack Jul 2016 #111

Maybe more like having a hook and ladder truck G_j Jul 2016 #136

If it needs to be parked in the drive way, it's a howitzer, not a handgun. appal_jack Jul 2016 #150

I had to call emergency services once in Maine.. sir pball Jul 2016 #392

I was referring to the imagined "need" G_j Jul 2016 #398

The only imagined 'need', is the 'need' to ban them. N/T beevul Jul 2016 #399

If you are going to go through the steps to arm yourself, especially for defense, jmg257 Jul 2016 #401

a lot of sane people G_j Jul 2016 #402

Sure....and it makes some sense - for home protection - for some. Of course they have semi-auto jmg257 Jul 2016 #403

Sure - if you are a good shot hack89 Jul 2016 #409

"Are you worried about the police and HS weapons?" sarisataka Jul 2016 #13

Yes. Two black men had guns and white cops freaked out morningfog Jul 2016 #15

So if black men don't want to worry about police sarisataka Jul 2016 #16

the shooter cop in Minnesota was a PoC, Jeronimo Yanez, not a white cop AntiBank Jul 2016 #48

We have what amounts to an open border to the south. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #33

The thing is, you DON'T make it harder for the murderous fucks... beevul Jul 2016 #172

If guns were illegal, they'd be very, very expensive. Marr Jul 2016 #28

Market science says that makes the price go down rather than disappear. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #35

Just like cocaine pot and heroine, right? N/T beevul Jul 2016 #42

Exactly like that, yeah-- they're expensive. Marr Jul 2016 #144

Our survey says: Bzzt. beevul Jul 2016 #173

This says you're wrong: Marr Jul 2016 #182

So you want a war on guns, just like the war on drugs. beevul Jul 2016 #189

I'm glad you admit prices on guns would go up, at least. Marr Jul 2016 #192

Gun control proponents regularly engage in mischaracterization... beevul Jul 2016 #198

So the US and Australia are utterly incomparable, but comparing a Marr Jul 2016 #272

Gun control advocates also tend to double down when called on their mischaracterizations... beevul Jul 2016 #291

In posts #173 and #42, you very clearly made the comparison to marijuana. Marr Jul 2016 #302

In the context of its prohibition. beevul Jul 2016 #306

Obviously. That's the entire context of the discussion. /nt Marr Jul 2016 #307

Then don't accuse me of comparing pot to guns... beevul Jul 2016 #308

I didn't mischaracterize your comments. Marr Jul 2016 #357

Yes you did, and unless you edit or delete... beevul Jul 2016 #367

they would still be dirt cheap AntiBank Jul 2016 #50

Not according to this. Marr Jul 2016 #184

you erected a strawman. I never said it would drive the price down AntiBank Jul 2016 #252

Well, if your argument is that the price would go up, but not much, you're equally incorrect. Marr Jul 2016 #305

you once again fail to see that Australia is vastly different AntiBank Jul 2016 #311

Australia is a huge continent, surrounded by massive economies. Marr Jul 2016 #355

not only are you wrong, but this entire thread is based off AntiBank Jul 2016 #359

Not a fantasy, a hypothetical. Marr Jul 2016 #362

One man 'Challenged' the government just a few days ago. beevul Jul 2016 #364

Where is that Texas shooter, again? Marr Jul 2016 #368

Of course you do. beevul Jul 2016 #370

I'm finding it difficult to control my laughter. Marr Jul 2016 #371

How many did the DC sniper kill? beevul Jul 2016 #374

There's asymmetrical war, and there's Ammon Bundy-style 'uprising'. Marr Jul 2016 #379

More likely massive and open non-compliance, with law enforcement agencies refusing to enforce Marengo Jul 2016 #366

Those who expect a 'civil war' to help them defend their toy chest Marr Jul 2016 #369

I doubt much resistance would be violent, nor would it need be. Compliance and enforcement Marengo Jul 2016 #373

Sorry, but ganja price is still dropping. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #203

Sorry, but you're the one arguing against basic market principles. Marr Jul 2016 #234

Well hell, why have any laws at all then? Marr Jul 2016 #358

Thats a strawman. Nobody wants "no laws". beevul Jul 2016 #365

Common error. Straw Man Jul 2016 #372

It's almost pathetic that all of the mass shootings in recent SheilaT Jul 2016 #17

Modern military assault rifles never were meant for everyone. rusty quoin Jul 2016 #20

The weapons in question, are not "Modern military assault rifles". beevul Jul 2016 #43

You know you've lost when you're trying to debate the definition of the weapon KeepItReal Jul 2016 #133

We weren't debating the 'definition'... beevul Jul 2016 #176

Interesting virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #46

Agreed. That's why the US has banned them since the 1930s Recursion Jul 2016 #71

Way to twist the argument. MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #73

*He* doesn't know what he meant. He thinks AR-15s fire faster than other rifles. He's wrong. Recursion Jul 2016 #75

That is not the point, at all. MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #77

None of *which* weapons? Semi-automatics? Recursion Jul 2016 #84

Most people don't know all the terminology MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #100

Getting the terminology right is critical TeddyR Jul 2016 #125

I agree we need to be educated so we may fight from a position of strength MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #135

The Virginia Tech shooter TeddyR Jul 2016 #140

Rifles of any kind are rarely used in murders Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #197

What are "these" weapons? Recursion Jul 2016 #137

I'm not uncomfortable with it at all- MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #145

We tried that way once and got the disastrous AWB Recursion Jul 2016 #148

It is really very simple if you would just admit it Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #202

+1 Matrosov Jul 2016 #153

Or an ammosexual Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #205

If you are in the business of banning, you better. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #211

It very easy to convert a semi-auto to full auto. Truthfully, a semi-auto is sufficiently deadly. Hoyt Jul 2016 #109

None of those were converted to full auto Recursion Jul 2016 #139

No, you've totally missed the point. Semi-autos can kill 50 people quickly. And if you want, Hoyt Jul 2016 #143

So drop the "military" nonsense Recursion Jul 2016 #149

Time to ban/restrict semi-autos. Thought it was clear. Hoyt Jul 2016 #154

You're being clear; the OP isn't Recursion Jul 2016 #155

It is not easy and has not been for decades Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #207

Bullshit. beevul Jul 2016 #212

So this slide stock does not exist, even though it's sold on Amazon.com. Hoyt Jul 2016 #222

Were those goalposts heavy hoyt? beevul Jul 2016 #225

I've already posted a video of how to do it internally. The slide stock is a conversion too. Hoyt Jul 2016 #226

Not in this thread you haven't. beevul Jul 2016 #230

Fact is, real military assault rifles are used on select fire most of the time. Hoyt Jul 2016 #236

Fact is, you don't know what you're talking about. beevul Jul 2016 #241

Beevul, it's a title with editing to make it fit. You know what it means, or should. Quit playing Hoyt Jul 2016 #242

ROFL. beevul Jul 2016 #246

This message was self-deleted by its author SuperDutyTX Jul 2016 #21

The prospect of having to "give them up" is exactly what they live for. Aristus Jul 2016 #24

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #26

I'll keep my semi-automatic rifles. n/t Waldorf Jul 2016 #29

Why? Germany, Austria, Italy, New Zealand, among others, all allow them and it's OK...BAN PISTOLS. sir pball Jul 2016 #36

Yes, ban all guns NOW, in the USA. underahedgerow Jul 2016 #39

So, you propose the absolute strictest gun control in the world, off the bat? sir pball Jul 2016 #40

Yes, I propose banning all guns except those for agricultural purposes, underahedgerow Jul 2016 #95

It is HUGELY difficult TeddyR Jul 2016 #129

Most of the civilized world hasn't banned guns. Statistical Jul 2016 #190

The Constitution is hardly a perfect document, and it is meant to be a fluid document that underahedgerow Jul 2016 #196

Well then get out from"underahedgerow" and get busy. oneshooter Jul 2016 #260

I do what I can. I've done what I can on other issues, far too deep to detail here. underahedgerow Jul 2016 #273

What's an agricultural purpose? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #210

How about "No". N/T beevul Jul 2016 #44

No.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #49

All guns? Adrahil Jul 2016 #94

Thank you. The 2nd Amendment argument for handguns is much weaker, too Recursion Jul 2016 #72

Interesting. Given the data and ergonomics, you might be right. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #216

I don't actually support *banning* handguns, but I do realize they're the bigger problem by 20x. sir pball Jul 2016 #389

I am under NO obligation to obey unjust laws.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #45

There goes that "law-abiding" BS. Hoyt Jul 2016 #86

And you've never broken a law, mister self admitted former robber? N/T beevul Jul 2016 #201

Good luck making your own powder and primer MillennialDem Jul 2016 #99

It is not a problem.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #281

No, I'd never waste a single penny on that horrible (outside of war) industry. MillennialDem Jul 2016 #303

Who's wasting? virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #313

Irrelevant to my point. I said I will never spend a penny on guns. MillennialDem Jul 2016 #314

But you do spend money on guns and ammo. oneshooter Jul 2016 #315

Oh brother MillennialDem Jul 2016 #324

Not a chance in hell. OccupyPA Jul 2016 #51

Aren't the majority of shootings done with handguns? JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #52

ssssssssshhhhhhhhhh nt michreject Jul 2016 #113

Yes Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #213

During WWI shotguns were used as trench clearing firearms JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #231

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #53

People that use an assault weapon for hunting suck at hunting. baldguy Jul 2016 #55

OK, what you've just done is shown that you don't understand what these are. Recursion Jul 2016 #70

Yeah - that handgrip sure makes a "wanna be" hunter a real wussie. jmg257 Jul 2016 #110

And you hunt how often? n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #284

The constitution doesn't mention hunting and sporting as the reason to be able to carry FXSTD Jul 2016 #58

I'd like for you to quote the exact phrase in the Constitution GaYellowDawg Jul 2016 #348

The preamble comes pretty close. beevul Jul 2016 #349

Well I don't see guns, or oppressive government mentioned anywhere there. So... GaYellowDawg Jul 2016 #350

No, you don't. beevul Jul 2016 #351

"A well regulated militia" SheriffBob Jul 2016 #420

Do we have to pit gun carriers and gun haters against each other on this site again? romanic Jul 2016 #59

Yes. Because the gun lovers are standing in the way of societal progress. morningfog Jul 2016 #60

Discussions have to be made. romanic Jul 2016 #61

I've lost patience. Every goddamned time, these assholes trot morningfog Jul 2016 #62

Good luck. romanic Jul 2016 #64

Not interested in a civil conversation with this people. They are irrational. morningfog Jul 2016 #96

You are free to keep thinking wrongly, & losing votes. appal_jack Jul 2016 #115

I don't need your permission. So long. morningfog Jul 2016 #142

Hope the fog clears for you some day. appal_jack Jul 2016 #152

I thought you were leaving? morningfog Jul 2016 #160

+1 MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #79

You don't coddle them. hack89 Jul 2016 #165

Way to win your argument, lol Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #214

I don't give a FUCK. Not trying to win an argument. Get o. It get the fuck out of the way. morningfog Jul 2016 #249

That attitude is why Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #253

No, it is the people who worship the gun and stroke it. morningfog Jul 2016 #277

And who is that, me? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #279

You'll have to try on your own shoes. morningfog Jul 2016 #293

You directed that response to me Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #296

And tell us, who are those people? n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #285

They are obvious. morningfog Jul 2016 #292

They are not, point some out Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #297

No I have decided not to. n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #261

Is anybody here against their own free will? SheriffBob Jul 2016 #421

The definition debate has to preclude reform concerning assault rifles. Captain Stern Jul 2016 #63

We won't be giving them up. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #67

I'm thinking of picking up an SKS 7.62mm MohRokTah Jul 2016 #178

I'm right there too. beevul Jul 2016 #206

If you're interested.... aikoaiko Jul 2016 #209

Man, I was told no background checks for internet sales Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #255

License and insure, just like cars greymattermom Jul 2016 #68

And tax them annually, just like cars. Hoyt Jul 2016 #87

Whoops, posted in wrong place. My apologies. Hoyt Jul 2016 #102

I do not need a license and insurance to OWN Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #217

tax a civil liberty? virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #382

I agree. And "open carry" has to go away. Vinca Jul 2016 #74

That's interesting: I'm personally much more bothered by concealed carry Recursion Jul 2016 #76

I'm bothered by that, too. Personally, I'd like all guns gone. Vinca Jul 2016 #78

Me too, open carry Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #219

Nope Matrosov Jul 2016 #82

No. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #97

Honestly, we should ban all handguns. Let the fetishists keep their long guns, hand guns cause MillennialDem Jul 2016 #101

Police? mainstreetonce Jul 2016 #105

because the AWB was ineffective. Statistical Jul 2016 #200

In mass shootings mainstreetonce Jul 2016 #208

Orlando, Dallas, Sandy Hook, etc., prove semi-autos are plenty deadly, but gunners can convert Hoyt Jul 2016 #107

And how many people are killed by rifles annually? nt hack89 Jul 2016 #167

I'd like to hear about one instance of a mass shooting where a bump fire stock was in use. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #195

Once again, I have no issue restricting semi-auto pistols too. Just riding the wave of opposition Hoyt Jul 2016 #218

What you say makes me happy. hack89 Jul 2016 #220

LOL! virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #386

The first two videos ARE NOT automatic weapons. They are sem-automatic approved by the BATF. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #183

Didn't say they were fully automatic. It's a technique to simulate full auto. Hoyt Jul 2016 #215

That was the implication you made when you used the word 'convert'. beevul Jul 2016 #239

Look at what I said and stop pointing at each word. This is exactly what I said above bumpfirer: Hoyt Jul 2016 #240

I am. beevul Jul 2016 #243

The FBI Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #221

No thanks. n/t Kang Colby Jul 2016 #121

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #161

Why would they do that? Gun hoarders have serious issues that will never be addressed. Rex Jul 2016 #166

We have more guns than people in the US Motley13 Jul 2016 #174

IT takes a lot of money and a special license to buy an assault rifle, and only one manufactured... MohRokTah Jul 2016 #175

We are talking quasi-assault rifles and you know it. Everyone but gunners understand the target. Hoyt Jul 2016 #224

What the hell is a quasi-assalt rifle? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #233

How else to converse with people who play the gun nomenclature game to avoid obvious. Hoyt Jul 2016 #238

As opposed to people who can't be bothered to know what they're talking about... beevul Jul 2016 #247

Good point Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #256

Words mean things MohRokTah Jul 2016 #254

Words mean things and there is a VERY specific definition of "Assault rifle" MohRokTah Jul 2016 #251

Instead of creating new words, why not just call it what it is. A semi-automatic rifle. Waldorf Jul 2016 #274

Correction: Assault Rifles are capable of full-auto fire. These rifles are already regulated. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #181

Not a fetishist, a realist. sofa king Jul 2016 #186

^^^^^ LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #204

Thank you. sofa king Jul 2016 #223

Exactly; I agree LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #265

I agree 100% SuperDutyTX Jul 2016 #245

Meh. Fuck tradition. Ass backwards hicks should not control the debate. morningfog Jul 2016 #248

But they will... sofa king Jul 2016 #257

Are you saying everybody who disagrees with you about firearm regulation is... MohRokTah Jul 2016 #259

Of course not, only the ignorant hicks. morningfog Jul 2016 #275

And neither should insult spewing morons. n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #262

+1 (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #268

Who you calling a moron, shooter? morningfog Jul 2016 #276

those who bring nothing to the table oneshooter Jul 2016 #282

Much noise, and vitriol ... no action as usual DonP Jul 2016 #405

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #395

No, you do not get it. morningfog Jul 2016 #396

If I can give up lawn darts... maveric56 Jul 2016 #227

Lawn darts were not Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #235

As with the phony "assaut weapon" ban, lawn darts are not completely banned. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #340

the last two nationally prominent mass killers explicitly targeted whites Angel Martin Jul 2016 #228

You need to clean up your definitions. I think I will buy one... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #229

FWIW, my husband is a hunter, bought a lifetime membership in the NRA many years ago, napi21 Jul 2016 #232

Semi-automatic firearms have been around since before the year 1900. beevul Jul 2016 #424

I AGREE WITH YOU. trueblue2007 Jul 2016 #237

I look forward to hearing your plan for collecting all of those weapons bluestateguy Jul 2016 #250

Legal Gun owners are just going to have to give up assault rifles.... ummmm Nope n/t DustyJoe Jul 2016 #263

I got no time for pro-massacre assholes. morningfog Jul 2016 #278

And I have no time for hoplophobes. n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #286

So you genuinely believe.. SuperDutyTX Jul 2016 #287

Not all of them. morningfog Jul 2016 #294

Are most? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #298

Who the fuck knows. Not playing. morningfog Jul 2016 #301

Is there anyone... SuperDutyTX Jul 2016 #304

LOL. Good luck to you. morningfog Jul 2016 #310

hah SuperDutyTX Jul 2016 #312

It is very typical Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #321

Yup. SuperDutyTX Jul 2016 #330

So when challenged on your comment Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #320

I don't think that being for gun rights makes me pro-massacre, but then I'm also for abortion rights LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #288

Stop calling them assault rifles - Use the proper name - Killing machines. GoneOffShore Jul 2016 #280

If you truly want to use the proper name, then it would be semi-automatic rifles. Waldorf Jul 2016 #290

And the nomenclature bullshit begins. Killing machines. GoneOffShore Jul 2016 #316

Nomenclature bullshit part 3. Killing machines. GoneOffShore Jul 2016 #318

How are you going to define "killing machines" TeddyR Jul 2016 #326

Sorry, no. in any discussion about these devices, the best way to frame it is "killing machines". GoneOffShore Jul 2016 #329

Not quite. SuperDutyTX Jul 2016 #335

The Killing Machine Ban - should go over big in Congress. nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #328

I will not give that bullshit argument respect. Fuck that/ morningfog Jul 2016 #295

Nomenclature bullshit part two. Killing machines. GoneOffShore Jul 2016 #317

Because that is not the proper name Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #300

Nomenclature bullshit part 4. Killing machines. GoneOffShore Jul 2016 #319

Good luck passing a law TeddyR Jul 2016 #325

I've been learning all my life and one of the things I have learned is that some people love GoneOffShore Jul 2016 #327

One of the many reasons Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #331

Yep TeddyR Jul 2016 #333

Something catchy and trademarkable, yet demeaning SwankyXomb Jul 2016 #342

Uh nope and besides, if they don't know you have them, how they going Purveyor Jul 2016 #283

We should be able to make deathrind Jul 2016 #289

Why do you leave Chicago out? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #299

You'd have to ban all firearms TeddyR Jul 2016 #332

They will not listen, sadly Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #334

re: "We've had enough." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #309

I do not know how the poor officer behind him Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #323

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You demand that a current right be taken, then say "don't even start a debate, I don't give a damn." MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #352

I don't have a dog in this fight but I find these threads wildly entertaining. Anyone else? WillowTree Jul 2016 #353

I love them, one side knows their shit R.A. Ganoush Jul 2016 #378

A grown up society? Abq_Sarah Jul 2016 #360

The Gun Used by the Dallas Police Murderer is Revealed. It�s Not What Most People Thought. tirebiter Jul 2016 #361

I don't see an issue here...considering I own counter assault rifles. ileus Jul 2016 #380

a connection SheriffBob Jul 2016 #385

The Dallas shooter used an SKS. dilby Jul 2016 #388

To get this out there - the weapon used is now reported as an AK-74. jmg257 Jul 2016 #400

Sadly, someone like him could have used a bolt action to similar effect (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #411

What an incredibly arrogant OP. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #406

Thanks! morningfog Jul 2016 #410

I's sorry SheriffBob Jul 2016 #413

Why? Because you say so? Wayburn Jul 2016 #408

Their is a word of warning, in the responses in this thread.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #414

Shhh! Keep it secret from the gun lovers until after we take the House, Senate and White House. morningfog Jul 2016 #415

the "gun lovers" as you put it.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #416

They are extreme, I'll give you that. morningfog Jul 2016 #417

Extreme? virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #418

Meh. You say personal property, I say instrument of death morningfog Jul 2016 #419

? virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #422

Wait and see mountainman. morningfog Jul 2016 #423

Paranoia?? virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #426

Oh, like you are talking free enterprise. Jim Beard Jul 2016 #427

Its funny how that works, isn't it? beevul Jul 2016 #425

But can we keep our counter assault rifles? ileus Jul 2016 #428

Absolutely not. morningfog Jul 2016 #429

Ah, come on SheriffBob Jul 2016 #430

Will your ever-shifting definition include 19-ton refer trucks? Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #431

Are truck drivers going to have to give up assault trucks? Albertoo Jul 2016 #432