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DetlefK

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13. I needed a click-bait title.

Sun Jul 10, 2016, 07:43 AM

Jul 2016

Of course it's sad that these cops died. Most cops are good people. However I don't get why people get all of a sudden surprised after:
* making cops work in an environment where literally any random person they interact with could be a bad-guy-with-a-gun
* years of right-wing propaganda that guns are the solution to your problems with the government

What other outcomes than a) unprofessional behavior by cops and b) intent to kill cops could this possible have???

I certainly would not want to be a cop in the US. Would you? Just imagine the constant pressure because you never know whether the guy you're interacting with will pull out a gun.
And the same party who decries that there is a "war on cops" at the same time holds up the ideal that a gun is one's personal defender of personal freedoms from a tyrannical government.

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I don't get why people freak out over the dead cops in Dallas. [View all] DetlefK Jul 2016 OP

Only white people get to use "Second Amendment Solutions". baldguy Jul 2016 #1

Yup. And Malaise is right -- wouldn't Hortensis Jul 2016 #8

Not according to name removed malaise Jul 2016 #11

That one never agrees with anyone here! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2016 #30

The first one was a first post malaise Jul 2016 #38

Damn, I miss all the fun. MH1 Jul 2016 #44

Got taken care of too quickly malaise Jul 2016 #48

Ok, gotta ask. Who was Message Auto Removed? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2016 #50

The first one was a first time poster malaise Jul 2016 #53

That one I had figured. I guess for the 2nd one, it would be Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2016 #55

All those options are only for malaise Jul 2016 #2

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #7

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #10

And remember now, Walsh has warned Obama that "real America" is coming after him. Jitter65 Jul 2016 #3

Sadly, not many people are freaked out by the fatally shot police in Dallas, TX aikoaiko Jul 2016 #4

I know where you're trying to go with this but it's pretty ridiculous. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #5

If the point of the second amendment is to be able to shoot at government employees jberryhill Jul 2016 #9

"...you don't get to decide when it is 'appropriate' for someone else to do so." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #12

Pretty big "if". The whole point of the 2nd was so that the people jmg257 Jul 2016 #17

I suppose shooter, like George Zimmerman, could say he was in fear for his life. Hoyt Jul 2016 #14

Do you support the right to self defense? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #15

Not the way you gunners view self-defense or the odds of needing a gun in your pants. Hoyt Jul 2016 #18

Fortunately the world doesn't have any requirement to live by your personal standards... TipTok Jul 2016 #19

Your personal prejudices, like all other personal prejudices, are immaterial. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #24

Suppose he had got the upper hand and shot the cop treestar Jul 2016 #67

do you support the right of citizens to use arms to overthrow a tyrannical government? KittyWampus Jul 2016 #22

Yes. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #23

Maybe we don't want your version -- or other armed group's -- of what our government should be. Hoyt Jul 2016 #28

I want a government where POC of color can exercise their rights without fear. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #32

Assuming that is why you arm up, there are more who don't want that and are willing to arm up. Hoyt Jul 2016 #34

Philando Castile was lawfully exercising his rights. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #39

If Castile, McVeigh, Lanza, etc., didn't have that option, I think we'd all be better off. Hoyt Jul 2016 #40

You're lumping Philando Castile in with Timothy McVeigh and Adam Lanza? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #42

Maybe so, but your support of more guns to stop police brutality is similarly deranged. Hoyt Jul 2016 #43

First, gain enough integrity to not put words into people's mouths then you're allowed to address me Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #45

"Allowed to address you" -- LMAO Hoyt Jul 2016 #47

Did you really just compare a lawfully armed, murdered black man to adam lanza? beevul Jul 2016 #58

Stop reading one word at a time while pointing. I said if people didn't carry guns we'd all be bette Hoyt Jul 2016 #60

Bullshit. beevul Jul 2016 #61

Like the 2nd Amendment you left out the rest of the sentence and context. Hoyt Jul 2016 #62

The context is not an acceptable excuse. beevul Jul 2016 #64

all had the right to bear arms treestar Jul 2016 #92

How many times sarisataka Jul 2016 #86

There is one of two ways sarisataka Jul 2016 #87

That's the assumption. Igel Jul 2016 #69

Supposing an army developed treestar Jul 2016 #68

People claim all sorts of things. That some people make claims that are wrong or that I do not Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #75

What if an army developed treestar Jul 2016 #89

Are their claims legitimate? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #90

to them they are treestar Jul 2016 #91

"who gets to decide?" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #93

No. Jerry442 Jul 2016 #25

Do you think 6 year olds should be allowed to vote? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #33

but, but heaven05 Jul 2016 #36

No this was about a political statement made by the other side, re "second amendment remedies" MH1 Jul 2016 #46

No it wasn't treestar Jul 2016 #66

Bingo eom IL Lib Jul 2016 #77

I hope you meant Soxfan58 Jul 2016 #6

I needed a click-bait title. DetlefK Jul 2016 #13

I agree. It doesn't take much for a "good guy" with a gun to go off. Fight with spouse, Hoyt Jul 2016 #16

Go hunting for some pre-cogs so you can identify who is going to commit a crime.. TipTok Jul 2016 #21

Could it be that this is the desired outcome? Jerry442 Jul 2016 #26

I would like to know how many police officers kacekwl Jul 2016 #35

I know that in Pennsylvania, police organizations usually favor whatever meager gun control MH1 Jul 2016 #49

Here is one... jmg257 Jul 2016 #52

This is a survey of police officers. I think Question #5 most closely, though not directly, answers Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #54

WOW I am surprised. kacekwl Jul 2016 #88

"Most cops are good people." avebury Jul 2016 #41

Add to that the never-ending wars malaise Jul 2016 #51

"War is good for nothing but killing" frankieallen Jul 2016 #81

Ever heard of Iraq malaise Jul 2016 #83

yes, I have heard or Iraq. Is Iraq "all wars"? I never said all wars were justified. frankieallen Jul 2016 #84

The wild west had strict gun control in that you weren't allowed to have guns Ohioblue22 Jul 2016 #20

Wasn't that the trigger for the OK Corral shoot-out? jmg257 Jul 2016 #37

They didn't want to return give them up Ohioblue22 Jul 2016 #57

Which applied only to carrying in town. beevul Jul 2016 #59

Like most of this thread, it's using a broad brush to paint a picture with a thousand little flowers Igel Jul 2016 #71

I am sure the board room of the NRA is celebrating the success of their randr Jul 2016 #27

Because the remedies are supposed to be for white people. Black peeps ain't supposed to be allowed Hoppy Jul 2016 #29

Insurection SheriffBob Jul 2016 #31

15% increase in cops death this yr. 71% murdered by whites. That is a significant increase. seabeyond Jul 2016 #56

Where was this anger when the 2 Las Vegas cops were killed by that couple who were Bundy Followers? maryellen99 Jul 2016 #63

Food for thought treestar Jul 2016 #65

I quote the Joker in the Dark Knight: Initech Jul 2016 #70

That quote also came to my mind. DetlefK Jul 2016 #74

"Nobody batted an eye at Orlando or Sandy Hook or San Bernardino or Paris" Huh? Where is that true? jmg257 Jul 2016 #78

I meant that because Congress doesn't do jack shit when it comes to guns. Initech Jul 2016 #82

Ah - got ya - understood. nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #85

it assumes a certain amount of communalism. Igel Jul 2016 #72

The fact you don't get it seems to be a personal problem... TipTok Jul 2016 #73

The Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense TeddyR Jul 2016 #76

Good thing to point out to antigovernment gun lovers Warpy Jul 2016 #79

Good post. That's the culture they and we have allowed for a long time. nt wiggs Jul 2016 #80