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205. I'm at the point where - the next time I hear some politician intoning about "thoughts and prayers,"

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 12:00 PM

Jul 2016

I'm gonna want to tell him to shove his "thoughts and prayers" back up his ass. Using the male pronoun because at the moment I don't recall many women politicians stepping up like that. nikki haley's been off center stage for awhile, and Hillary usually attempts to dig much deeper than that shallow meaningless surface tripe.

I don't want ANYBODY's "thoughts and prayers" on this issue. I want their ACTION.

I want their RESOLVE.

I want their SIGNATURES - on petitions, or better yet, on NEW LAWS designed to address, mitigate, alleviate, or flat-out SOLVE these problems.

I want their VOTES in Congress and state legislatures on moves to tighten gun restrictions.

I want their SOLUTIONS.

I don't want their cliched bullshit and meaningless empty talking points and momentary "sympathy." Talk is cheap. "Thoughts and prayers" is an easy slogan for the sake of staging a "nice" vanilla-flavored white-bread nothingburger for the press. You can't take "thoughts and prayers" to the bank. You can't take "thoughts and prayers" to the statehouses. You can't take "thoughts and prayers" to the legislatures. We know this because it's already been tried over and over and over and over and over and over again - resulting in NOTHING. John Prine had a song, decades ago, called "Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore." Your "thoughts and prayers" won't, either.

I don't want their "thoughts and prayers"! It's nothing but an easy out so you politicians can look like you care, at least momentarily.

I want their ACTIONS.

I want concrete, practical, immediately doable or implementable ANSWERS as to what they intend to DO about it.

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I'm so goddamned mad at being in this place again... [View all] CTyankee Jul 2016 OP

If you can be in D.C. this thursday ...... we need >1,000,000 people there to show ... Botany Jul 2016 #1

So what gun laws should be passed? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #4

a journey of 1,000 miles starts w/the first step Botany Jul 2016 #10

I am all for background checks Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #14

Ban clips and magazines over 10 rounds. SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #40

I say 20 rounds Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #44

Who needs assault rifles and why? denvine Jul 2016 #70

Who needs to express their political views online and why? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #72

That's not an answer! denvine Jul 2016 #75

It *is* an answer- merely one you don't like. There is no Department of Needs. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #77

Since you want to play a word game, why would anyone want to have an assault weapon denvine Jul 2016 #92

I use mine legally for the legal sport of target shooting Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #96

So, because you want to have a rifle that fires 20 rounds denvine Jul 2016 #109

It's called compromise Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #115

Within 50 miles if you anywhere in this country pipoman Jul 2016 #100

That's a hobby metroins Jul 2016 #113

I think if you have the right licence Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #116

So you'd like to license 20 round clips? metroins Jul 2016 #119

I personally don't have an issue with that Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #121

I agree. Very rational. Nt metroins Jul 2016 #134

Thanks Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #136

Try to follow along...it is a response to post #92 and nothing more... pipoman Jul 2016 #125

That used to be one of my hobbies. hunter Jul 2016 #149

I'm hoping to make gadgets my hobby metroins Jul 2016 #154

Why do people need to have assault weapons to competitively shoot? denvine Jul 2016 #114

Why do you need an iPhone? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #117

My iPhone can't kill multiple people at one time. denvine Jul 2016 #124

Alright Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #128

Again, if there is a chance that it would reduce the killings, isn't it worth it? denvine Jul 2016 #162

I am for reducing the greatest number Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #167

Appeals to 'common sense' are a fallacy- and also Colonism: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #138

No, but it can contain child porn. N/t beevul Jul 2016 #192

There are single and double action revolver competitions, cowboy competitions, pipoman Jul 2016 #158

Then maybe those model specific competitions should be made illegal also. denvine Jul 2016 #166

You are much better off Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #169

See we have this list of limitations on our government pipoman Jul 2016 #184

Wow! So freedom to own assault weapons is worth more than the possibility of saving lives. denvine Jul 2016 #185

You would save many more banning alcohol Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #187

Maybe, maybe not....doesn't make a single bit of difference.... pipoman Jul 2016 #190

Very true Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #80

I do not have any Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #79

What does one need with 20 rounds of ammo? SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #210

Nope, I never point a weapon at a person Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #215

You are not the only person who could purchase 20 rounds of ammo if that were the limit. SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #219

Since most weapons are designed Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #221

Pointing to the length of time to rid society of magazines isn't a good reason SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #223

Magazines do not just go bad or get used up Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #224

Correction. Straw Man Jul 2016 #230

Thank you Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #234

Go back to the 6 round revolver period. Jim Beard Jul 2016 #207

There's an idea. SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #209

A simple .30-30? Straw Man Jul 2016 #231

That restriction includes police and ALL civilian LE. Correct? oneshooter Jul 2016 #211

It better Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #216

Are you aware ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #232

.... pipoman Jul 2016 #74

Some states do require a background check for all weapons transfers Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #81

It will always be up to the states....the Federal Government has no jurisdiction over those sales... pipoman Jul 2016 #84

I know Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #85

Has already iirc... pipoman Jul 2016 #95

Love this place Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #97

Excellent Rudie malaise Jul 2016 #7

Rudepundit's thoughts are exactly mine... CTyankee Jul 2016 #27

I think so many of us are spent and can spend no more. CTyankee Jul 2016 #165

Understood Botany Jul 2016 #182

I have no words. Only hugs and tears. Coventina Jul 2016 #2

thanks. It's nice to know that... CTyankee Jul 2016 #9

What gun law would have prevented the Dallas shootings? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #3

Reagan signed a law to ban assault weapons but in 2002 or 2003 republican let that ban expire Botany Jul 2016 #5

Not to nitpick but the AWB Clinton signed (which expired in 04), did not ban the dallas-used rifle jmg257 Jul 2016 #8

I suggest we tear up the precious 2nd A and proceed to go to the laws in other countries where CTyankee Jul 2016 #12

No questions asked, but anyway - Now you're talking...no loopholes, no questionable "features".. jmg257 Jul 2016 #18

Amen. Ban all guns. Lock them up in armories. Let the well-regulated japple Jul 2016 #46

I agree Jim Beard Jul 2016 #208

That's easy to change, ban or tax the hell out of semi-autos. Hoyt Jul 2016 #15

All repeating arms with deatchable mags or fixed capacity above X rounds...easy enough. nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #22

Exactly. They tried to coddle too many gunners with the previous ban. Hoyt Jul 2016 #30

my neice was killed by a single shot to her head with a handgun by her stepgrandfather who had CTyankee Jul 2016 #36

Understood - I recall you talking about that horrible situation. :( jmg257 Jul 2016 #43

Taxing guns to the point of affordability would really help. Every time one is sold or The Wielding Truth Jul 2016 #69

Makes me think of those cards for driving in HOV lane, if you carry your gun in public. Hoyt Jul 2016 #157

You can try it Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #161

Lately they've become general use for meyhem and stocking yahoos' weapons cache for domestic Hoyt Jul 2016 #175

Actually not Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #178

+1000 stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #203

good idea, actually. I think it would help since we can't seem to rid ourselves of the 2nd A. CTyankee Jul 2016 #183

Probably not Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #160

Actually I think we should make guns break down as frequently as printers do. Initech Jul 2016 #212

If guns couldn't kill. That would be lovely. Maybe they will keep getting more and more The Wielding Truth Jul 2016 #213

It's called smart guns Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #218

That's what happens with those Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #217

That's pretty good dumbcat Jul 2016 #16

The weapons used in San Bernardino Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #21

Thanks for sharing! I don't think he would be elected today. DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #67

Perhaps not allowing the assault weapons ban to expire but reenact the ban. Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #6

The San Bernardino and Sandy Hook Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #23

Okay since this is your argument lets ban more weapons, would this help? Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #25

The only way you could do it Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #35

Maybe if the NRA worked as hard stopping the mass murders as they do on preventing any Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #39

You have a billionaire backing gun control Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #42

The NRA is nothing but a gun lobby, don't respect people. They could make some changes Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #45

The lobby side sure has Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #47

Technically true but quite deceptive: guillaumeb Jul 2016 #61

There are six exceptions to the immunity Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #64

How about gunners doing the right thing, quit buying them and destroy the ones they have? Hoyt Jul 2016 #66

Tens of millions gave done nothing wrong with a legal product Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #68

What hypocritical bullshit! *You* sold the ones you had, for profit: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #133

Typical Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #137

Revolver target pistols. You can sell those too through FFL. Following me closely? LMAO. Hoyt Jul 2016 #152

Why didn't you destroy them in the same way that you asked others to do? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #186

Good question Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #188

Elmer Gantry would have made a mint if he had gone into gun control advocacy friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #189

What did you do with the money? Marengo Jul 2016 #227

Used the money to help my mom on Social Security back when no drug coverage. What's it to you? Hoyt Jul 2016 #228

Why didn't you donate it to a gun control org? Marengo Jul 2016 #229

Can you prove "most are back"? How about some names? Marengo Jul 2016 #237

There is one single banned poster in the thread he referrs to. beevul Jul 2016 #242

It isn't nice to lie, hoyt. beevul Jul 2016 #241

Wrong. By the way, who is us? You guys congregating in a compound somewhere? Hoyt Jul 2016 #243

Wrong? I checked every profile hoyt. beevul Jul 2016 #245

Typical of Hoyt Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #247

why don't you think up one, buddy... CTyankee Jul 2016 #11

No need to SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #17

me? I got a dead young neice and a brother who was never the same. CTyankee Jul 2016 #38

I'm very sorry for your loss. What, may I ask was the underlying cause? jack_krass Jul 2016 #171

being drunk, angry and having a loaded gun at the ready... CTyankee Jul 2016 #177

Feel free to not answer if it's too sensitive.... jack_krass Jul 2016 #191

no prior abuse and not a felon and owned the gun legally (this was Texas alt CTyankee Jul 2016 #195

I agree with you on the media Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #179

Sounds good. Let's make all that happen and take it out of the cluttered discussion while we keep... Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2016 #48

That is fine, start somewhere Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #53

Fair enough. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2016 #56

why aren't more people sick of hearing it? I was yelling at the TV today CTyankee Jul 2016 #120

Just listen to Scott Pelly drill Joe Biden about armour piercing bullest Jim Beard Jul 2016 #214

Armor piercing bullets are rarely used Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #220

Scott Pelley isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Straw Man Jul 2016 #233

" So there are my suggestions - what do you have, buddy? " pangaia Jul 2016 #50

Why is disgusting? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #55

Poor you. So sad CTyankee Jul 2016 #122

Uh, no. SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #123

of course not. You're awesome. CTyankee Jul 2016 #129

Why thank you! SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #130

keep digging CTyankee Jul 2016 #144

Thank you is digging, who knew, lol Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #146

Is there some rule SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #147

Not that I know of Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #151

it has nothing to do with the TOS. I own my feelings... CTyankee Jul 2016 #168

What is? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #58

That people should NOT possess any device designed to kill massive amounts of humans... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #13

Ban them from being in people's possession. CTyankee Jul 2016 #19

Yeap, notice when that wording is used they usually come back with some non sequiter on the issue uponit7771 Jul 2016 #29

yep. my point entirely...and thanks CTyankee Jul 2016 #41

"who wont even uphold what they've already ruled on"? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #71

exactly. So let's get a better USSC... CTyankee Jul 2016 #126

Where has the USSC ruled Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #131

Usual strawman, I said ANY DEVICE... I also notice you haven't replied to my affirmation of uponit7771 Jul 2016 #139

Well my definition of massive is bigger than your stated Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #140

What is a massive amount? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #28

FBI definition is four or more shot or killed in one incident (link) uponit7771 Jul 2016 #34

Well, that would be almost every weapon ever made. Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #37

Many devices weren't meant or designed to kill massive amounts of humans in an efficient way uponit7771 Jul 2016 #49

An old style six shooter was Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #52

Strawman, I'm talking about any device designed to kill massive amounts of humans efficiently... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #59

If your definition of "massive" if four or more people SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #62

5 if they were practicing common gun safety Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #65

This makes no sense relative to the design of devices criteria and efficiently, a six shooter .... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #76

Newsflash SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #78

He can't dig out of the hole he made Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #83

I recognize strawman, I've dug myself out already and I also recognize when people don't want uponit7771 Jul 2016 #90

Already have Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #93

No, I asked what is wrong with the position that no one should own any device designed to kill uponit7771 Jul 2016 #102

Well machine guns are highly regulated and few own them Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #110

So hundreds? Just affirming... tia uponit7771 Jul 2016 #112

Not my definition and its a strawman to narrow the critieria to the FBI definition. I'm pretty clear uponit7771 Jul 2016 #88

You used that as the definition standard, not us. Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #91

Another non answer, you're not interested in a conversation... just retorts and that's the FBI defi uponit7771 Jul 2016 #94

I stated the definition at least twice Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #99

There are more devices designed to kill massive amounts of people other than what you named.... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #104

So a 20 or 30 round magazine should be no problem Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #82

Well, ban them too... any device designed to kill massive amounts of humans should NOT be in the... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #86

The only way to do that SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #87

nope... false dichotomy uponit7771 Jul 2016 #105

You're the one who set the parameters SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #108

The FBI set 4 and I asked you and the other poster what would be the number that would define uponit7771 Jul 2016 #111

I know, he came up with that number Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #118

I'm not running away from it at all, I'm letting you set the standard of what massive is uponit7771 Jul 2016 #143

Well, lets see Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #145

WTF!! People can own grenades!!?!!? ... well shit, no wonder folk want 1000 round clips !!!. uponit7771 Jul 2016 #148

Interesting how you moved that goalpos, lol Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #150

Interesting how you keep ignoring how I said it was the FBI standard and we should go off what you uponit7771 Jul 2016 #197

Destructive devices are treated differently than firearms Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #198

" I think the avg gun owner shouldn't be able to out power the cops in any way" beevul Jul 2016 #194

So you are for a ban including old six shooters Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #89

Makes no difference what the device is, ANY device DESIGNED to kill a massive amount of people uponit7771 Jul 2016 #107

But a six shooter was Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #63

That takes civilian legal semi-autos off your ban list... beevul Jul 2016 #193

Simple really.... paleotn Jul 2016 #51

Indeed Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #54

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #20

Based on forum rules SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #31

Why are you breaking Skinner's rules Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #32

~~~*~~~ Hekate Jul 2016 #24

Gun control just isn't the answer. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #26

Are you happy with Congress not even willing to study 30,000 WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #106

That's a straw man argument if there ever was one. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #159

Oh my, we wouldn't want to promote gun control. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #201

Not with tax money. n/t Kang Colby Jul 2016 #206

2/3 are suicides Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #163

Yeah, keep wishing, many of those suicides are not mental health related. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #202

I am sure you feel the same Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #204

Well you see, some people just cannot give up their favorite hobby. Rex Jul 2016 #33

I'm not able to "hold it all together" any more. hunter Jul 2016 #57

What is the percentage of legal firearms owners Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #60

A hell of a lot closer to being a terrorist than most of the people with whom I interact. NNadir Jul 2016 #73

I think it always has happened Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #103

If you honestly believe them to be potential terrorists, have you contacted the FBI? Marengo Jul 2016 #196

No. Being a potential terrorist in this country is not against the law if you're white and... NNadir Jul 2016 #222

I know several African Americans that own firearms Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #225

Oh, so this talk of gun owners being potential terrorists is hyperbolic bullshit. Marengo Jul 2016 #226

Not really. I stand by it. NNadir Jul 2016 #235

Nah, you don't. Your lack of action proves you do not believe all gun owners are literally... Marengo Jul 2016 #236

People who have simple minds - apparently their are some gun worshipers among them - NNadir Jul 2016 #239

I'm certain DHS would be very interested in hearing any info you have on potential... Marengo Jul 2016 #240

Well, were I to buy into idiot rhetoric, I might consider the present company, since it obviously... NNadir Jul 2016 #246

In other words, hyperbolic bullshit. Do you claim psychic powers as well? Marengo Jul 2016 #248

There are far more gun haters/anti-gun among them. beevul Jul 2016 #244

Aiding and abetting at the very least. hunter Jul 2016 #141

Nope, don't smoke Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #142

every cop and almost every security guard (retired, failed cop, or wannabe cop) has one. JanMichael Jul 2016 #153

Well that's not me Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #155

yes. I hope the day will come...but not optimistic... CTyankee Jul 2016 #127

I love Brahms Ein Deutsches Requiem (so?) longship Jul 2016 #98

the brahms requiem usually is solace but today less so...I'm just sick of having to invoke it... CTyankee Jul 2016 #135

Thoughts and prayers don't seem so useless treestar Jul 2016 #101

Why all the pussyfooting ? humbled_opinion Jul 2016 #132

Republicans keep blocking any legislation yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #156

So did our side unfortunately Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #164

Same thing applies yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #170

and I try again and again but that never seems to work... CTyankee Jul 2016 #172

Well we gather people to make sure someone we like gets on the ballot, yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #173

Oh, I won't stop trying but I just get tired of always losing... CTyankee Jul 2016 #176

In Japanese we have a saying... yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #181

Many of us are feeling similar things. Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #174

yes, I know. CTyankee Jul 2016 #180

I wish I had some comfort or words that would help. ran out of tears a long time ago. niyad Jul 2016 #199

it keeps coming back and my tears are fresh again... CTyankee Jul 2016 #200

I'm at the point where - the next time I hear some politician intoning about "thoughts and prayers," calimary Jul 2016 #205

Yes, it is the kind of thing where someone can't stand it any more and literally can do nothing CTyankee Jul 2016 #238