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222. No. Being a potential terrorist in this country is not against the law if you're white and...

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 06:05 PM

Jul 2016

...I don't know any African Americans who own guns.

And, as I've said, I don't associate with gun owners in any case. My brother for the record is white and and gun owner, and, if you must know, I've disowned him. From what I can tell though, if I contacted the FBI and said, "my brother is a white guy who owns a gun, and because he owns a gun, I regard him as a potential terrorist," they wouldn't do anything at all.

In this country, it's not against the law to have a gun. I have a big problem with that, but obviously, given that the situation prevails mass murder after mass murder, I have proved powerless to do anything about it.

Apparently, as we discovered in Minnesota recently you are a potential terrorist or hold up man if you're black and own a gun, even a gun that's legal (regrettably) in white people's hands, and the penalty for this potentiality is immediate execution on the spot. I'm sure I'd have a fair chance of getting this defacto law observed if I called up the police and said, "there's a black guy with a gun in the parking lot of..." whatever.

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I'm so goddamned mad at being in this place again... [View all] CTyankee Jul 2016 OP

If you can be in D.C. this thursday ...... we need >1,000,000 people there to show ... Botany Jul 2016 #1

So what gun laws should be passed? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #4

a journey of 1,000 miles starts w/the first step Botany Jul 2016 #10

I am all for background checks Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #14

Ban clips and magazines over 10 rounds. SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #40

I say 20 rounds Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #44

Who needs assault rifles and why? denvine Jul 2016 #70

Who needs to express their political views online and why? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #72

That's not an answer! denvine Jul 2016 #75

It *is* an answer- merely one you don't like. There is no Department of Needs. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #77

Since you want to play a word game, why would anyone want to have an assault weapon denvine Jul 2016 #92

I use mine legally for the legal sport of target shooting Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #96

So, because you want to have a rifle that fires 20 rounds denvine Jul 2016 #109

It's called compromise Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #115

Within 50 miles if you anywhere in this country pipoman Jul 2016 #100

That's a hobby metroins Jul 2016 #113

I think if you have the right licence Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #116

So you'd like to license 20 round clips? metroins Jul 2016 #119

I personally don't have an issue with that Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #121

I agree. Very rational. Nt metroins Jul 2016 #134

Thanks Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #136

Try to follow along...it is a response to post #92 and nothing more... pipoman Jul 2016 #125

That used to be one of my hobbies. hunter Jul 2016 #149

I'm hoping to make gadgets my hobby metroins Jul 2016 #154

Why do people need to have assault weapons to competitively shoot? denvine Jul 2016 #114

Why do you need an iPhone? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #117

My iPhone can't kill multiple people at one time. denvine Jul 2016 #124

Alright Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #128

Again, if there is a chance that it would reduce the killings, isn't it worth it? denvine Jul 2016 #162

I am for reducing the greatest number Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #167

Appeals to 'common sense' are a fallacy- and also Colonism: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #138

No, but it can contain child porn. N/t beevul Jul 2016 #192

There are single and double action revolver competitions, cowboy competitions, pipoman Jul 2016 #158

Then maybe those model specific competitions should be made illegal also. denvine Jul 2016 #166

You are much better off Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #169

See we have this list of limitations on our government pipoman Jul 2016 #184

Wow! So freedom to own assault weapons is worth more than the possibility of saving lives. denvine Jul 2016 #185

You would save many more banning alcohol Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #187

Maybe, maybe not....doesn't make a single bit of difference.... pipoman Jul 2016 #190

Very true Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #80

I do not have any Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #79

What does one need with 20 rounds of ammo? SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #210

Nope, I never point a weapon at a person Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #215

You are not the only person who could purchase 20 rounds of ammo if that were the limit. SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #219

Since most weapons are designed Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #221

Pointing to the length of time to rid society of magazines isn't a good reason SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #223

Magazines do not just go bad or get used up Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #224

Correction. Straw Man Jul 2016 #230

Thank you Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #234

Go back to the 6 round revolver period. Jim Beard Jul 2016 #207

There's an idea. SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #209

A simple .30-30? Straw Man Jul 2016 #231

That restriction includes police and ALL civilian LE. Correct? oneshooter Jul 2016 #211

It better Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #216

Are you aware ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #232

.... pipoman Jul 2016 #74

Some states do require a background check for all weapons transfers Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #81

It will always be up to the states....the Federal Government has no jurisdiction over those sales... pipoman Jul 2016 #84

I know Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #85

Has already iirc... pipoman Jul 2016 #95

Love this place Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #97

Excellent Rudie malaise Jul 2016 #7

Rudepundit's thoughts are exactly mine... CTyankee Jul 2016 #27

I think so many of us are spent and can spend no more. CTyankee Jul 2016 #165

Understood Botany Jul 2016 #182

I have no words. Only hugs and tears. Coventina Jul 2016 #2

thanks. It's nice to know that... CTyankee Jul 2016 #9

What gun law would have prevented the Dallas shootings? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #3

Reagan signed a law to ban assault weapons but in 2002 or 2003 republican let that ban expire Botany Jul 2016 #5

Not to nitpick but the AWB Clinton signed (which expired in 04), did not ban the dallas-used rifle jmg257 Jul 2016 #8

I suggest we tear up the precious 2nd A and proceed to go to the laws in other countries where CTyankee Jul 2016 #12

No questions asked, but anyway - Now you're talking...no loopholes, no questionable "features".. jmg257 Jul 2016 #18

Amen. Ban all guns. Lock them up in armories. Let the well-regulated japple Jul 2016 #46

I agree Jim Beard Jul 2016 #208

That's easy to change, ban or tax the hell out of semi-autos. Hoyt Jul 2016 #15

All repeating arms with deatchable mags or fixed capacity above X rounds...easy enough. nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #22

Exactly. They tried to coddle too many gunners with the previous ban. Hoyt Jul 2016 #30

my neice was killed by a single shot to her head with a handgun by her stepgrandfather who had CTyankee Jul 2016 #36

Understood - I recall you talking about that horrible situation. :( jmg257 Jul 2016 #43

Taxing guns to the point of affordability would really help. Every time one is sold or The Wielding Truth Jul 2016 #69

Makes me think of those cards for driving in HOV lane, if you carry your gun in public. Hoyt Jul 2016 #157

You can try it Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #161

Lately they've become general use for meyhem and stocking yahoos' weapons cache for domestic Hoyt Jul 2016 #175

Actually not Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #178

+1000 stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #203

good idea, actually. I think it would help since we can't seem to rid ourselves of the 2nd A. CTyankee Jul 2016 #183

Probably not Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #160

Actually I think we should make guns break down as frequently as printers do. Initech Jul 2016 #212

If guns couldn't kill. That would be lovely. Maybe they will keep getting more and more The Wielding Truth Jul 2016 #213

It's called smart guns Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #218

That's what happens with those Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #217

That's pretty good dumbcat Jul 2016 #16

The weapons used in San Bernardino Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #21

Thanks for sharing! I don't think he would be elected today. DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #67

Perhaps not allowing the assault weapons ban to expire but reenact the ban. Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #6

The San Bernardino and Sandy Hook Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #23

Okay since this is your argument lets ban more weapons, would this help? Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #25

The only way you could do it Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #35

Maybe if the NRA worked as hard stopping the mass murders as they do on preventing any Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #39

You have a billionaire backing gun control Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #42

The NRA is nothing but a gun lobby, don't respect people. They could make some changes Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #45

The lobby side sure has Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #47

Technically true but quite deceptive: guillaumeb Jul 2016 #61

There are six exceptions to the immunity Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #64

How about gunners doing the right thing, quit buying them and destroy the ones they have? Hoyt Jul 2016 #66

Tens of millions gave done nothing wrong with a legal product Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #68

What hypocritical bullshit! *You* sold the ones you had, for profit: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #133

Typical Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #137

Revolver target pistols. You can sell those too through FFL. Following me closely? LMAO. Hoyt Jul 2016 #152

Why didn't you destroy them in the same way that you asked others to do? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #186

Good question Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #188

Elmer Gantry would have made a mint if he had gone into gun control advocacy friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #189

What did you do with the money? Marengo Jul 2016 #227

Used the money to help my mom on Social Security back when no drug coverage. What's it to you? Hoyt Jul 2016 #228

Why didn't you donate it to a gun control org? Marengo Jul 2016 #229

Can you prove "most are back"? How about some names? Marengo Jul 2016 #237

There is one single banned poster in the thread he referrs to. beevul Jul 2016 #242

It isn't nice to lie, hoyt. beevul Jul 2016 #241

Wrong. By the way, who is us? You guys congregating in a compound somewhere? Hoyt Jul 2016 #243

Wrong? I checked every profile hoyt. beevul Jul 2016 #245

Typical of Hoyt Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #247

why don't you think up one, buddy... CTyankee Jul 2016 #11

No need to SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #17

me? I got a dead young neice and a brother who was never the same. CTyankee Jul 2016 #38

I'm very sorry for your loss. What, may I ask was the underlying cause? jack_krass Jul 2016 #171

being drunk, angry and having a loaded gun at the ready... CTyankee Jul 2016 #177

Feel free to not answer if it's too sensitive.... jack_krass Jul 2016 #191

no prior abuse and not a felon and owned the gun legally (this was Texas alt CTyankee Jul 2016 #195

I agree with you on the media Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #179

Sounds good. Let's make all that happen and take it out of the cluttered discussion while we keep... Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2016 #48

That is fine, start somewhere Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #53

Fair enough. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2016 #56

why aren't more people sick of hearing it? I was yelling at the TV today CTyankee Jul 2016 #120

Just listen to Scott Pelly drill Joe Biden about armour piercing bullest Jim Beard Jul 2016 #214

Armor piercing bullets are rarely used Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #220

Scott Pelley isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Straw Man Jul 2016 #233

" So there are my suggestions - what do you have, buddy? " pangaia Jul 2016 #50

Why is disgusting? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #55

Poor you. So sad CTyankee Jul 2016 #122

Uh, no. SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #123

of course not. You're awesome. CTyankee Jul 2016 #129

Why thank you! SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #130

keep digging CTyankee Jul 2016 #144

Thank you is digging, who knew, lol Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #146

Is there some rule SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #147

Not that I know of Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #151

it has nothing to do with the TOS. I own my feelings... CTyankee Jul 2016 #168

What is? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #58

That people should NOT possess any device designed to kill massive amounts of humans... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #13

Ban them from being in people's possession. CTyankee Jul 2016 #19

Yeap, notice when that wording is used they usually come back with some non sequiter on the issue uponit7771 Jul 2016 #29

yep. my point entirely...and thanks CTyankee Jul 2016 #41

"who wont even uphold what they've already ruled on"? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #71

exactly. So let's get a better USSC... CTyankee Jul 2016 #126

Where has the USSC ruled Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #131

Usual strawman, I said ANY DEVICE... I also notice you haven't replied to my affirmation of uponit7771 Jul 2016 #139

Well my definition of massive is bigger than your stated Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #140

What is a massive amount? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #28

FBI definition is four or more shot or killed in one incident (link) uponit7771 Jul 2016 #34

Well, that would be almost every weapon ever made. Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #37

Many devices weren't meant or designed to kill massive amounts of humans in an efficient way uponit7771 Jul 2016 #49

An old style six shooter was Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #52

Strawman, I'm talking about any device designed to kill massive amounts of humans efficiently... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #59

If your definition of "massive" if four or more people SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #62

5 if they were practicing common gun safety Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #65

This makes no sense relative to the design of devices criteria and efficiently, a six shooter .... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #76

Newsflash SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #78

He can't dig out of the hole he made Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #83

I recognize strawman, I've dug myself out already and I also recognize when people don't want uponit7771 Jul 2016 #90

Already have Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #93

No, I asked what is wrong with the position that no one should own any device designed to kill uponit7771 Jul 2016 #102

Well machine guns are highly regulated and few own them Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #110

So hundreds? Just affirming... tia uponit7771 Jul 2016 #112

Not my definition and its a strawman to narrow the critieria to the FBI definition. I'm pretty clear uponit7771 Jul 2016 #88

You used that as the definition standard, not us. Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #91

Another non answer, you're not interested in a conversation... just retorts and that's the FBI defi uponit7771 Jul 2016 #94

I stated the definition at least twice Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #99

There are more devices designed to kill massive amounts of people other than what you named.... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #104

So a 20 or 30 round magazine should be no problem Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #82

Well, ban them too... any device designed to kill massive amounts of humans should NOT be in the... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #86

The only way to do that SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #87

nope... false dichotomy uponit7771 Jul 2016 #105

You're the one who set the parameters SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #108

The FBI set 4 and I asked you and the other poster what would be the number that would define uponit7771 Jul 2016 #111

I know, he came up with that number Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #118

I'm not running away from it at all, I'm letting you set the standard of what massive is uponit7771 Jul 2016 #143

Well, lets see Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #145

WTF!! People can own grenades!!?!!? ... well shit, no wonder folk want 1000 round clips !!!. uponit7771 Jul 2016 #148

Interesting how you moved that goalpos, lol Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #150

Interesting how you keep ignoring how I said it was the FBI standard and we should go off what you uponit7771 Jul 2016 #197

Destructive devices are treated differently than firearms Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #198

" I think the avg gun owner shouldn't be able to out power the cops in any way" beevul Jul 2016 #194

So you are for a ban including old six shooters Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #89

Makes no difference what the device is, ANY device DESIGNED to kill a massive amount of people uponit7771 Jul 2016 #107

But a six shooter was Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #63

That takes civilian legal semi-autos off your ban list... beevul Jul 2016 #193

Simple really.... paleotn Jul 2016 #51

Indeed Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #54

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #20

Based on forum rules SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #31

Why are you breaking Skinner's rules Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #32

~~~*~~~ Hekate Jul 2016 #24

Gun control just isn't the answer. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #26

Are you happy with Congress not even willing to study 30,000 WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #106

That's a straw man argument if there ever was one. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #159

Oh my, we wouldn't want to promote gun control. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #201

Not with tax money. n/t Kang Colby Jul 2016 #206

2/3 are suicides Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #163

Yeah, keep wishing, many of those suicides are not mental health related. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #202

I am sure you feel the same Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #204

Well you see, some people just cannot give up their favorite hobby. Rex Jul 2016 #33

I'm not able to "hold it all together" any more. hunter Jul 2016 #57

What is the percentage of legal firearms owners Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #60

A hell of a lot closer to being a terrorist than most of the people with whom I interact. NNadir Jul 2016 #73

I think it always has happened Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #103

If you honestly believe them to be potential terrorists, have you contacted the FBI? Marengo Jul 2016 #196

No. Being a potential terrorist in this country is not against the law if you're white and... NNadir Jul 2016 #222

I know several African Americans that own firearms Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #225

Oh, so this talk of gun owners being potential terrorists is hyperbolic bullshit. Marengo Jul 2016 #226

Not really. I stand by it. NNadir Jul 2016 #235

Nah, you don't. Your lack of action proves you do not believe all gun owners are literally... Marengo Jul 2016 #236

People who have simple minds - apparently their are some gun worshipers among them - NNadir Jul 2016 #239

I'm certain DHS would be very interested in hearing any info you have on potential... Marengo Jul 2016 #240

Well, were I to buy into idiot rhetoric, I might consider the present company, since it obviously... NNadir Jul 2016 #246

In other words, hyperbolic bullshit. Do you claim psychic powers as well? Marengo Jul 2016 #248

There are far more gun haters/anti-gun among them. beevul Jul 2016 #244

Aiding and abetting at the very least. hunter Jul 2016 #141

Nope, don't smoke Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #142

every cop and almost every security guard (retired, failed cop, or wannabe cop) has one. JanMichael Jul 2016 #153

Well that's not me Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #155

yes. I hope the day will come...but not optimistic... CTyankee Jul 2016 #127

I love Brahms Ein Deutsches Requiem (so?) longship Jul 2016 #98

the brahms requiem usually is solace but today less so...I'm just sick of having to invoke it... CTyankee Jul 2016 #135

Thoughts and prayers don't seem so useless treestar Jul 2016 #101

Why all the pussyfooting ? humbled_opinion Jul 2016 #132

Republicans keep blocking any legislation yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #156

So did our side unfortunately Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #164

Same thing applies yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #170

and I try again and again but that never seems to work... CTyankee Jul 2016 #172

Well we gather people to make sure someone we like gets on the ballot, yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #173

Oh, I won't stop trying but I just get tired of always losing... CTyankee Jul 2016 #176

In Japanese we have a saying... yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #181

Many of us are feeling similar things. Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #174

yes, I know. CTyankee Jul 2016 #180

I wish I had some comfort or words that would help. ran out of tears a long time ago. niyad Jul 2016 #199

it keeps coming back and my tears are fresh again... CTyankee Jul 2016 #200

I'm at the point where - the next time I hear some politician intoning about "thoughts and prayers," calimary Jul 2016 #205

Yes, it is the kind of thing where someone can't stand it any more and literally can do nothing CTyankee Jul 2016 #238