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Scootaloo

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37. Except using the no-fly list as a basis will stop nothing.

Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:52 AM

Jul 2016

Which is what has been getting pointed out to you again and again.

The no-fly list is an arbitrary list. it has no legal basis. You do not have to be convicted of anything. You do not have to have done anything. If you're on it, you don't know until it comes up. it's a secret list of random individuals with a heavy bias against certain religious and ethnic minorities. That is a terrible place to start for anything, much less a proposal to strip thosep eople of their constitutional rights - and whether we like the right or not, it's there, and this proposal clearly violates it.

Further, as has also been brought up to you, the overwhelming majority of gun violence perpetrators have not been on the no-fly list. You would actually have a better chance of preventing gun crime with this sort of proposal if you were to draw names out of a hat.

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Ryan: No vote for Dems' 'no fly, no buy' gun legislation unless they can win the House [View all] KamaAina Jul 2016 OP

Wow, he always played the reluctant speaker--now it is obvious MADem Jul 2016 #1

I can't figure why Democrats are so in love with Bush's "no fly list"? pipoman Jul 2016 #5

It's a first step in securing public safety. MADem Jul 2016 #8

No it isn't...rights are not taken, then the due process occurs pipoman Jul 2016 #9

Good luck with that. nt MADem Jul 2016 #10

Pretending shit like this is liberal or democratic is why this party is torn apart. . pipoman Jul 2016 #11

Pretending it's no big deal when a maniac with a legally purchased WMD MADem Jul 2016 #12

Want...I want to win the lottery....I want to go to space....I want to own a summer home in Aspen... pipoman Jul 2016 #13

What you deem impossible is what most people call "common sense." MADem Jul 2016 #14

Not in your lifetime pipoman Jul 2016 #18

Oh, I plan on living for awhile. I will see the day when America grows up. MADem Jul 2016 #19

Well... pipoman Jul 2016 #21

Roe is not likely to be overturned. You got that right. nt MADem Jul 2016 #22

I got it all right...;) pipoman Jul 2016 #23

And that person was not on a list Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #26

He was mentally ill and should have gotten a general discharge. MADem Jul 2016 #28

The problem is the use of hte no-fly list. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #33

They can adjust the manner in which the list is administered, if they would like. MADem Jul 2016 #34

You're completely - and I think intentionally - missing the point Scootaloo Jul 2016 #35

No--I'm expressing a view held by a majority of Americans. MADem Jul 2016 #36

Except using the no-fly list as a basis will stop nothing. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #37

It's a method of starting the conversation. MADem Jul 2016 #38

it IS about the no-fly list, because that thing is the core of the proposal Scootaloo Jul 2016 #39

If you want to believe that, go right ahead. nt MADem Jul 2016 #40

This should be part of a nationwide ad campain by the DNC Takket Jul 2016 #2

There isn't one single thing progressive or democratic about denying due process... nothing. pipoman Jul 2016 #6

An awful lot happened since Ryan said that. yallerdawg Jul 2016 #3

Not all Democrats are in favor of "no fly, no buy" davidn3600 Jul 2016 #4

Agreed. I can't believe the tyrannical Bush no fly list is now seen as a good thing by some. Statistical Jul 2016 #7

Yep, I fail to see how Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #27

The Republican agenda is clear gratuitous Jul 2016 #15

Challenge accepted. sofa king Jul 2016 #16

Well Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2016 #17

This is what you want to say to me? I want to spit in corrupt face. CTyankee Jul 2016 #20

Worst. Speaker. Ever!!!! Initech Jul 2016 #24

Worse than Newt?! KamaAina Jul 2016 #25

Ooh... tough call! Initech Jul 2016 #30

I am convinced that Ryan is SCREAMING for the Left to unify and sink the gop ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #29

A challenge!!! A challenge!!! longship Jul 2016 #31

The proposed law is unconstitutional TeddyR Jul 2016 #32