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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]But it's already different.
The claim is the police should have shot the guy. That would have been okay, I guess.
I suspect that the reaction would be entirely different if the killer had used a gun. If the "bad guys" use the same means as the police, the reaction would be different because, well, we're just all biased towards police. In fact, it's just tit-for-tat, and to be expected. Nothing wrong with it. I mean, same means of violence, so there shouldn't be any difference in reaction, right?
Yeah. It would be an escalation. But bad guys already use bombs against good guys. They just haven't figured out to mount them on something like this yet:
Notice that all over the country there are middle- and high-school robotics clubs. They have to do more complicated tasks--pick up things, go up ramps. sense colors and push buttons, so they use more expensive, more general-use hardware, but that's only a matter of degree. They have two types of trials to put their bots through: (1) in autonomous mode the teens program the bot to go in a certain direction for a certain amount of time or wheel rotations, turn a specific angle, and continue. They have the course map and basically encode the map in the program they run; (2) they control them using a cell phone and a joy stick or on-screen glide-pad. My kid plays with and helps build bots using off-the-shelf tech that makes the police bot look obsolete, and he's in 7th grade this fall.
Most explosives are banned. Some can be made at home and those can't be banned. Then there are things like thermite, using red iron oxide and aluminum powder (with typically a magnesium strip to get the reaction going). If you can't buy the stuff, get a file and make your own red rust powder and aluminum filings. ("We must ban all iron and all aluminum!" Yeah, now let me tell you about the copper-based explosives, if people are so hot for returning to the Chalcolithic.) Thermite can take out tanks, burn through concrete. My friend and I in high school (we liked making explosives) put a fairly deep hole in a sidewalk his father had poured a month before. Guy didn't swear, but when he came home and saw the mini-crater in his sidewalk he made an exception.
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Any explosives expert will tell you that you can't always predict what explosives will do
Kelvin Mace
Jul 2016
#42
LOL actually an explosive expert will tell you exactly what its going to do.
Separation
Jul 2016
#211
They didn't merely do anything except take out somebody who needed to be taken out.
Akicita
Jul 2016
#129
They did this to keep more innocent people from dying. He was still exchanging gunfire with police
Akicita
Jul 2016
#131
The shooter chose not to go the judicial route. It was offered to him. Instead he chose to die.
Akicita
Jul 2016
#143
So you've been in a firefight before and know that bullets never ricochet or go astray, right?
randome
Jul 2016
#37
Of course there is. With every use of deadly force there is a chance that things will go wrong.
randome
Jul 2016
#52
Google "Cliven Bundy" to see how police handle a white man possessing weapons
guillaumeb
Jul 2016
#65
The guy was dangerous and choes not to surrender. The police offered him the chance to surrender and
Akicita
Jul 2016
#133
How about Waco? Lots and lots of white people were killed there by law enforcement. More than your
Akicita
Jul 2016
#134
Didn't the shooter himself eliminate the courts and force the police to handle it by refusing to
Akicita
Jul 2016
#132
'Robot'? LOL! A gun is just as much of a 'robot': you push a button and someone's dead.
randome
Jul 2016
#26
'Catch him' dozing? You mean like sneak in very quietly, break down the door and tiptoe to his side?
randome
Jul 2016
#59
You have a guy who's shot 11 people, killing 5, holed up with a gun, continuing to shoot at you..
X_Digger
Jul 2016
#151
Oh, had they actually shot someone? I must've missed that. What was the body count?
X_Digger
Jul 2016
#161
I'm saying that ACTUALLY KILLING FIVE PEOPLE lends itself to 'imminent grave bodily injury'.
X_Digger
Jul 2016
#179
Do you not understand that the shooter chose not to use the legal system even though it was offered
Akicita
Jul 2016
#138
If the person is resisting medical attention with automatic weapons I seriously doubt any medical
Akicita
Jul 2016
#159
If a reporter cannot tell the difference between a bomb going off and a gunshot,
merrily
Jul 2016
#96
The key to me is that the shooter was offered the judicial route. He chose the deadly force route
Akicita
Jul 2016
#139
If a white person cowardly ambushes and kills five people I don't think anybody will mind if he is
Akicita
Jul 2016
#140
Using explosives to take out a "dangerous" criminal? What could possibly go wrong?
Kelvin Mace
Jul 2016
#95
Knockout gases are mostly a hollywood invention. (Especially in an open air place.)
X_Digger
Jul 2016
#111
Should police have waited out Omar Manteen when he threatened to strap bomb vests to hostages?
Lancero
Jul 2016
#113
It was and is a slippery slope to go with its use. Like all new technologes, there is what
riversedge
Jul 2016
#152
For those who cling to the idea that the shooter "had his chance to surrender"...
Moostache
Jul 2016
#158
Neutralizing him, even if it meant killing or bombing him, was the right thing to do.
Lil Missy
Jul 2016
#185
And threatening to detonate bombs. Time to kill the fucker before he kills someone else.
Lil Missy
Jul 2016
#235
Um, no. Only a simplistic an unlawerly reading of the law would conflate fleeing
msanthrope
Jul 2016
#208
You just did my job for me. Part of being a great lawyer is accepting victory and walking away. nt
msanthrope
Jul 2016
#224
I have no problem with the police killing him. The use of a robot was way too far.
OregonBlue
Jul 2016
#197