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True Earthling

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107. Are you saying they cherry picked the data?

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:34 AM

Jul 2016

That's the only way the study would be flawed.

There was no assumptions made on the racial bias either way in the raw data.

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Study shows, "No racial bias in police shootings". [View all] Separation Jul 2016 OP

Yup..no racism at all HipChick Jul 2016 #1

There is no way in hell you even read my post let alone the study Separation Jul 2016 #2

Black people experience... HipChick Jul 2016 #8

Um the lead researcher is black, jack_krass Jul 2016 #34

irrelevant, plenty of blacks in America who don't have the experience other blacks or poor whites uponit7771 Jul 2016 #61

lololololol. nt clarice Jul 2016 #149

The author of this study is black. anigbrowl Jul 2016 #36

He also admits that there are serious flaws with the data, and the results should not be Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #114

Come on, we all know multiple results can be arrived at from the same research brush Jul 2016 #116

The plural of anecdote... TipTok Jul 2016 #92

LOLOLOLOLOL. You're batting 1000.nt clarice Jul 2016 #150

Did you miss the sarcasm gif? brush Jul 2016 #113

I wonder why I just can't seem to believe this? merrily Jul 2016 #3

This guy probably has some alterior motive, Im guessing. Separation Jul 2016 #11

Please tell me that you are not trying to say that Mr. Fryer can't possibly have an ulterior motive merrily Jul 2016 #17

Then what's his motive? puffy socks Jul 2016 #101

I never said he had one. merrily Jul 2016 #105

Then why try to imply he puffy socks Jul 2016 #106

I didn't try to imply it. merrily Jul 2016 #109

Yes you did puffy socks Jul 2016 #110

Bull. I negated the implication of the OP in Reply 11 that a photo proves something. merrily Jul 2016 #111

Its right here for everyone to see puffy socks Jul 2016 #112

It isn't an issue of motive gollygee Jul 2016 #108

What's your point? Clarence Thomas, Stacey Dash, etc., are also black. n/t JustinL Jul 2016 #30

I wonder why you can't seem to believe it too anigbrowl Jul 2016 #37

Because Republican lie constantly... scscholar Jul 2016 #44

+1, Because there are 2 blaring defects in the study see post #59 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #62

Well the second paragraph directly contradicts your headline. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #4

Its not my headline Separation Jul 2016 #5

& it shows that POC are more likely to have force used against them. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #12

"Blacks are three times more likely to report use of force by police in the raw data" The Wielding Truth Jul 2016 #57

No it doesn't anigbrowl Jul 2016 #38

.... giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #43

that does not contradict the headline at all. anigbrowl Jul 2016 #49

Still can Suggest Bias Masked Dissident Jul 2016 #55

As I said: "although it is needlessly intimidating and indicative of bias" anigbrowl Jul 2016 #56

Why is it so important to so many puffy socks Jul 2016 #102

The same reason why it is so important to many to prove that racism and racial bias DOES NOT exist Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #115

OK, that's a 3rd blaring defect (post 59)... so weapons are drawn but there's less shootings? Some uponit7771 Jul 2016 #63

This is just one of those bullshit studies white folks like giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #66

+1, there have be national studies (not just 4 states) that show the opposite of this study and the uponit7771 Jul 2016 #68

To any person living in the real world not wearing blinders giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #98

Exactly. And it's NOT just on the political right. I'm seeing people who call themselves liberals Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #117

I've said it before, those like that on the left are even more giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #148

+1,000,000,000...!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #142

"Shootings" confusing to you??? Nt Logical Jul 2016 #89

No, it doesn't Recursion Jul 2016 #104

I would have to examine the study before I endorsed the findings, Vattel Jul 2016 #6

You touched on it, imo, with your word "timely" being the reason for this report brush Jul 2016 #125

To be fair... Glassunion Jul 2016 #137

Now that you mention it. Exactly. brush Jul 2016 #138

ABSOLUTELY!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #141

It's not clear yet what happened in Minnesota. Vattel Jul 2016 #151

Maybe it's doesn't seem clear to you but the millions of people who saw the live streamed . . . brush Jul 2016 #152

I am happy to wait until all the evidence is in. Vattel Jul 2016 #153

Try reading between the lines of the right wing media you seem to be ingesting . . . brush Jul 2016 #154

I think you should read the DOJ report on the Michael Brown case. Vattel Jul 2016 #155

What about the entry points of the wounds, and the fact that . . . brush Jul 2016 #156

The DOJ report assessed each witness's credibility very carefully. Vattel Jul 2016 #159

Clever little tricky word play there but I caught it. brush Jul 2016 #161

Sorry, I meant "unarmed." Vattel Jul 2016 #163

And it's even more laughable, in light of all the videos of cops murdering unamred . . . brush Jul 2016 #164

have you read the DOJ report? If yes, did you understand it? Vattel Jul 2016 #165

The only thing that saved that murdering cop is that fact that there was no video . . . brush Jul 2016 #166

The DOJ report disagrees with you. Vattel Jul 2016 #167

Even you have conceded that the DA was bias towards the cop. brush Jul 2016 #168

What the DA did has nothing to do with the DOJ report. Vattel Jul 2016 #169

But it had everything to do with the verdict. The DOJ report . . . meh! brush Jul 2016 #170

I guess your assessment of the evidence is much more careful than theirs. Vattel Jul 2016 #171

Like I said, the crooked DA purposedly manipulated the grand jury into not indicting brush Jul 2016 #172

I didn't ignore it. The grand jury proceedings were a joke. We agree on that. Vattel Jul 2016 #175

& kids�Tamir Rice was 12. His 10yo sister treated as a felon for rushing to her dying brother's blm Jul 2016 #176

People are going to believe what the MSM says and Lurks Often Jul 2016 #7

It seems more important to some that a study shows that blacks are shot more, for some reason. puffy socks Jul 2016 #33

Just as it is important to many that a study shows that blacks are NOT discriminated against. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #118

Sure puffy socks Jul 2016 #123

Maybe, but again, the researcher/author himself admitted the flaws inherent in the study. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #130

nope, not one person until you were talking about puffy socks Jul 2016 #132

Other factors like what? If there could be other factors, then let's pursue alternative hypotheses Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #140

And visa versa. It seems important to you that black people are not shot . . . brush Jul 2016 #128

It already has been challenged pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #9

I really wish people would quit taking one study and going "see? done." nemo137 Jul 2016 #10

Your putting words into my mouth that I never said Separation Jul 2016 #14

I explicitly did not. nemo137 Jul 2016 #119

Maybe they hired the Klan to do it. They work cheap. Warpy Jul 2016 #13

The Klan did this study? Dont let facts get in the way of your emotion Separation Jul 2016 #15

"Maybe" Warpy Jul 2016 #16

We definately agree with each other Separation Jul 2016 #19

Not how I read that line. Igel Jul 2016 #24

Total nonsense anigbrowl Jul 2016 #39

Please remember when you are reading these statistics:remember these statistics psychmommy Jul 2016 #18

He stated the controls in the study. Separation Jul 2016 #21

i read it and I still don't know what the controls were. psychmommy Jul 2016 #124

Is "% of the pop" the whole story? Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #29

you can conclude whatever you would like. psychmommy Jul 2016 #126

You don't think the author of this study took that into account? jack_krass Jul 2016 #35

I don't assume and they don't say. psychmommy Jul 2016 #127

Stop lying anigbrowl Jul 2016 #40

data sets are just that sets of data- psychmommy Jul 2016 #131

He was very careful to describe both his methodology and acknowledge caveats. Gormy Cuss Jul 2016 #160

How are differences in population proof of the racism? eom yawnmaster Jul 2016 #70

because if 78% of the population-over half of the population psychmommy Jul 2016 #133

not necessarily. Statistics may support that claim, but rarely can you get a cause/effect from... yawnmaster Jul 2016 #135

After, and only after a thorough peer-review, it, as with all research, will be considered. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #20

I agree Separation Jul 2016 #22

+1 on the peer review there are 3 blaring defects 1.) anomalous states, 2.) the corelations between uponit7771 Jul 2016 #64

Well, there's this: If there's a cop already pointing a gun at me, John Poet Jul 2016 #157

+1, I'm sure unarmed whites are shot too but I'd like to see something contrary or ... well NOT... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #158

I once heard an economist (faculty member at MU) present his research loyalsister Jul 2016 #23

So all economists are liars anigbrowl Jul 2016 #41

okay loyalsister Jul 2016 #45

Of course it is, but you haven't shown that to be the case here anigbrowl Jul 2016 #48

I responded with an anecdote that influences my skepticism loyalsister Jul 2016 #50

Skepticism is more than reflexive dismissal anigbrowl Jul 2016 #53

Only because they talk about % of people stopped by police. Mass Jul 2016 #25

+1, that's another thing... why only correlate arrest with shootings... hmmmm uponit7771 Jul 2016 #69

I read the study, and the paper definitely has a garbage in garbage out problem with their data. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #26

Another reason we need a properly funded CDC study of guns that includes rigorous data on police anigbrowl Jul 2016 #51

Two words. paleotn Jul 2016 #27

Two more words: bull shit anigbrowl Jul 2016 #42

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #74

I've already debunked the Vox article. It's obvious the author never read the study anigbrowl Jul 2016 #79

+1, the sample states were the most diverse in the union and not a national study uponit7771 Jul 2016 #65

Large city PD stats are probably very different from Ilsa Jul 2016 #28

Mass posted an OP here on Vox's questioning of the study: pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #31

The Vox article is laughable bullshit anigbrowl Jul 2016 #46

This is false, there was no study on whether or not the arrest of blacks are do to bias in the study uponit7771 Jul 2016 #67

No it isn't anigbrowl Jul 2016 #71

Strawman, I said arrest you said stops... good try though uponit7771 Jul 2016 #72

Liar. You said 'arrest or stops' in the body of your message. Shall I post screenshots? nt anigbrowl Jul 2016 #80

The title of my reply had only arrest in it and for the sake of this point its only arrest and I... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #83

So what? I responded to the entirety of your post, not just the headline anigbrowl Jul 2016 #86

The context of my reply was about arrest seeing the study correlated arrest with shootings... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #100

Are you saying they cherry picked the data? True Earthling Jul 2016 #107

It wasn't cherry picked gollygee Jul 2016 #120

And the more important point: The media and cheerleaders who don't want to admit racism and bias Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #144

Slight problem ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #32

I am not troubled by this anigbrowl Jul 2016 #47

I agree on the mandatory reporting thing; but, completely disagree with ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #52

I think we're arguing over semantics here anigbrowl Jul 2016 #54

Perhaps we are ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #58

No he's not anigbrowl Jul 2016 #60

Okay. We'll have to agree to disagree. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #75

Exactly! And the NYT should be ashamed of itself. If the author himself admits that there are Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #121

I blame the author of the study for drawing the conclusion, in the first place ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #136

I'm a researcher myself, so I know that my credibility would be shot if I passed off flawed results Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #139

2 HUGE problems with the study 1.) it does NOT acknowledge the arrest are from a bias it ... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #59

That is completely untruthful anigbrowl Jul 2016 #77

The study did not cherry pick only non-biased, non racially motivated encounters... True Earthling Jul 2016 #103

Vox: Here's why I'm skeptical of Roland Fryer's new, much-hyped study on police shootings gollygee Jul 2016 #73

Debunked anigbrowl Jul 2016 #81

You need to re-read the response to your post. Nt gollygee Jul 2016 #84

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #87

Regardless of the to and fro in the comments matt819 Jul 2016 #76

was Charles Murray the co-author? Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #78

I think posting this study was censored on reddit. mr_liberal Jul 2016 #82

Why do you think this? I found 5 Reddit threads on it with a simple google search anigbrowl Jul 2016 #88

Looks like those in r/news were labeled "analysis/opinion" and removed. mr_liberal Jul 2016 #90

No it does not look like that at all. They have not been removed. anigbrowl Jul 2016 #94

No they were tagged with that. mr_liberal Jul 2016 #95

Clearly you have made up your mind. nt anigbrowl Jul 2016 #96

And you have too. You have put a lot of emotion and passion into this. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #122

Thom Hartmann covered this: SalviaBlue Jul 2016 #85

Not too concerned about the information Dan Jul 2016 #91

Here are the simple facts, ContinentalOp Jul 2016 #93

Tell me Another One! Night Watchman Jul 2016 #97

If you believe that you will believe my mother was a mack truck! yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #99

Bold all you wish...this is horse chit laserhaas Jul 2016 #129

The Democratic Party Has Been On the Road Jul 2016 #134

So essentially the study is saying police are much more likely to beat the crap out of PoC ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #143

...AND that cops are more likely to draw their guns on black people BUT NOT SHOOT!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #145

Yeah--I couldn't read that thing until now ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #146

Maybe? marle35 Jul 2016 #173

Figures don't lie. But liars do figure. Glassunion Jul 2016 #147

A well-reasoned assessment. Thank you. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #162

and what about the number of women shot? Skittles Jul 2016 #174

Exactly Sgt. Glassunion Jul 2016 #178

It's a typical RW coverup of the real facts by emphasizing cherry-picked data and ignoring details blm Jul 2016 #177