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In reply to the discussion: The semantics of gun control... [View all]Straw Man
(6,949 posts)115. Yet only sterility achieves the goal ...
... of safety.
The point is not to achieve sterility, which no one believes possible.
The point is to make it much harder for the next Adam Lanza to lay his hands on high-capacity magazines.
The point is to make it much harder for the next Adam Lanza to lay his hands on high-capacity magazines.
In other words, the goal is to inconvenience spree killers. That'll show 'em.
A thirty-round AR magazine is not "high-capacity." It is standard-capacity.
Yes, you could use your 3-D printer (which of course, everyone has and knows how to use) to fabricate one, assuming you could find a design that you were fairly confident was created by someone who knew his ass from a hole in the ground.
Design? We're not reinventing the wheel here. The design comes from one of the millions of extant magazines.
You'd then have to purchase the non-plastic parts, like fasteners and springs.
Yeah, that's a daunting task in modern America. Springs and fasteners? Omigod, where are we ever going to find those?
Then you'd have to assemble and test your baby, unless on your planet, mechanical devices that have never been tested always work.
Assembly is a snap-together process. Test? We're working from a proven design -- remember? The first few would have to be function-tested, yes, but after that it's good-to-go. A magazine is a spring in a box. It's not rocket surgery.
Unless you have a gun range in your basement, you'd have to take the magazine somewhere to test it.
Function testing of a magazine can be done without firing the gun. Manual cycling will identify any major problems. However, live-fire testing in a basement is eminently do-able. The main challenge of indoor ranges is air quality, which is a non-issue with the limited number of rounds that would have to fired to test prototype magazines. Then there are the trackless deserts of our Western states. Lots of illegal shit goes on there.
Congrats. You now have invested a lot of effort and assumed significant risk to make two or three high-capacity magazines. There's not much you can do with them, unless you're a deranged killer.
Two or three? Why stop there? We're talking about a criminal enterprise that could generate substantial profit. It's bootlegging, man: criminal commercial enterprise, and highly profitable.
You're right, a truly obsessed and talented person is pretty unstoppable. The Unabomber made some of his bombs out of match heads. He hand-made his own screws. But you know what, there haven't been a lot of Unabomber copycats.
The Unabomber was creating a one-off of his own design. He had no proven model to work from. The difference between that and 3-D printing of a ubiquitous and proven item is like the difference between carving your own furniture from wood and assembling it from Ikea out of the box.
There have been a lot of Adam Lanzas who use whatever they can easily pick up.
How many Adam Lanzas have there been? He might not have been able to acquire his magazines on the black market. Do you think you could say the same of the San Bernardino, Orlando, and Dallas shooters? I don't.
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I think there is plenty that can be done...when in most cities, less then 1% of the people
jmg257
Jul 2016
#152
Exactly. You mean there's NOTHING we can do? I can't buy that for a nanosecond.
calimary
Jul 2016
#154
"When those are detected by law enforcement they generally have some repercussions."
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#106
So now at least 40,000,000 refuse to comply. They are all heavily armed and you have instantly made
MohRokTah
Jul 2016
#51
If the experiences of CO, NY and VT (hardly rock-ribbed conservative bastions, they) serve as
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#70
"now is just a matter of getting that used 3D printer on Craigslist and downloading a program." lol.
morningfog
Jul 2016
#57
The problem is a very small number of individuals who are determined to act.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#9
Were there too many guns in France when the Charlie Hebdo office was attacked?
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#13
How do you hope to effectively deal with anything, let alone something as profound as gun
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#23
Threefold - the sheer number of people in the US who don't mind killing other people...
jmg257
Jul 2016
#127
What about all the places with the ease of acccess and little to no gun violence?
beevul
Jul 2016
#132
Yup. I likes to shoot things and killum dead. That's my right like it done said in that
Photographer
Jul 2016
#140
That's that same constitution thingy what lets you post banal non-answers.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2016
#143
And another reason is people crafting the proposed laws are clueless about what they try to regulate
Lee-Lee
Jul 2016
#14
I used to sell them back in the 80's and was a sport shooter since before you were born
Photographer
Jul 2016
#39
I'm now seeing the same tactic used regarding healthcare. "Those nurses don't know the difference ..
Scuba
Jul 2016
#16
Way simple then - ban ammunition reserve holders* with a capacity of 30+ rounds.
jmg257
Jul 2016
#21
Bull. Just ban semi-autos, or write the basics of legislation and let a gun nut with integrity
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#47
semi-automatic weapons are the most popular and numerous type of firearm in this country.
MohRokTah
Jul 2016
#50
Who cares what lethal weapons are the most popular. Slavery was popular, smoking was popular, etc.,
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#53
Slavery was only ended by a bloody war. I don't imagine you'll be joining a 'war on guns'...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2016
#54
Not sure you are correct, but we can start with banning future production and restricting how many
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#58
Do you think the Stevens Dissent in Heller will become the interpretation of the 2nd?
jmg257
Jul 2016
#68
Actually, the legislation says people under 45. I'd like to see all the old white wingers have to
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#73
Pistols and rifle are both viable weapons of the militias, which I have no problem relating
jmg257
Jul 2016
#75
If you want to go by a point at each word interpretation of Constitution, you gotta do it with Code.
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#79
They may indeed...but I don't get too worried or all worked up over it - I have lots of hobbies!
jmg257
Jul 2016
#83
Not really, states will get tough on guns and Supreme Court will uphold those laws.
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#84
As I'm sure you are aware, that has already begun, but not all states are NY, CT or CA.
jmg257
Jul 2016
#85
Ban the most commonly class of firearm sold in the world in direct violation of the Heller ruling?
Statistical
Jul 2016
#74
You also need to look closer at Austrailia and UK laws. Actually, getting guns out of the hands of
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#81
And your argument just left out a key specific about this issue and it is both moral and technical.
MohRokTah
Jul 2016
#48
"You see it every day here at DU---and it needs to stop." Ask the Admins. awaits your request:
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2016
#43
Dont believe I have ever used those words. I tend to not use deragatory words instead of logic.
Eko
Jul 2016
#159
You are welcome to try and change the Constitution, and then pile on the restrictions.
Eleanors38
Jul 2016
#149
Opinions are wonderful to form, but you need to be a bit more specific if you want to articulate,
jmg257
Jul 2016
#65
Gotcha - and understood. But there is often much discussion over Assault Weapon Bans,
jmg257
Jul 2016
#77
Cartridge limits are silly. An experienced operator can fire almost continuously,
jack_krass
Jul 2016
#67
I don't believe that, but hey if it makes you feel good, go ahead and ban the
jack_krass
Jul 2016
#113