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xiamiam

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25. we posted at the same time and i'm on the same page re the war on terror as you

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:37 PM

Jun 2012

its never ending..against a concept..and basically undeclared..and who profits? ..beyond ridiculous insanity more than a decade after it began..i'm so sick of it and the drone strikes and the kill list i could scream...i'm not alone..i think the use of drones is punk and basically juvenile hoodlum behavior and that includes our president..i have no respect for it and never will..add the kill list and that has put me over the top but i dont know what to do. I used to be able to come here and rant all I wanted but now its an election year and this place is more about politics and winning than about morality and justice or peace. I'm pissed and will probably stay this way until the war on terror is recognized by everyone for the charade that it is.

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Obama�s �kill list� is unchecked presidential power [View all] morningfog Jun 2012 OP

Better to send in troops railsback Jun 2012 #1

I remember MrDiaz Jun 2012 #2

I see your point SoutherDem Jun 2012 #3

Well said. hughee99 Jun 2012 #8

Thank you. woo me with science Jun 2012 #11

What does Romney have to do with this? Do you agree or not with the OP's points or is Van Heuvel sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #35

There are two questions here. Is the Presidents policy right or wrong, AND did this article jump the stevenleser Jun 2012 #45

The headline of the article states unchecked power. But the article itself does not... Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #53

"it seems to me that you are picking a nit and avoiding a discussion about the article itself." morningfog Jun 2012 #62

The main question is your first one. However I do not believe these policies sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #55

I assumed the comment about the "compelling argument" was dripping with sarcasm, woo me with science Jun 2012 #59

Should anyone have this power? SoutherDem Jun 2012 #16

I'm not sure if anyone is talking about NOT voting for President Obama. Zalatix Jun 2012 #106

Do you think the president should have carte blanche authority to kill rhett o rick Jun 2012 #5

That is very black and white: railsback Jun 2012 #29

I will stipulate that terrorists are bad and very bad. You didnt answer any of the questions rhett o rick Jun 2012 #51

Constitutionally speaking railsback Jun 2012 #58

And they swear to uphold the Constitution. Why do you not answer my questions? nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #61

No, they are not sworn to "defend our nation".. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #87

Right... railsback Jun 2012 #98

So you have nothing but "enjoy President Romney"? That's your argument? nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #107

Many in the DU community believe we are creating more terrorists and the evidence backs Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #69

Yeah...go figure... sadge-virgo Jun 2012 #7

puhlease..nt xiamiam Jun 2012 #17

Um.... railsback Jun 2012 #30

Did you read the articles? Have you been paying attention. morningfog Jun 2012 #24

Yeah, probably right railsback Jun 2012 #31

During this policy, AQ has morningfog Jun 2012 #37

Very simplistic thinking railsback Jun 2012 #39

The growth is from locals radicalizing morningfog Jun 2012 #40

i hope you have the same confidence that our next republican president will show restraint.. frylock Jun 2012 #50

So let them fester railsback Jun 2012 #56

I don't think the shock is directed at the ultimate goal... LanternWaste Jun 2012 #71

There is no such thing as unchecked Presidential power. Congress can impeach. stevenleser Jun 2012 #4

They can impeach for not liking his tie, that is not a specific check on this power but TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #10

That is a meaningless distinction. As you noted, he can be impeached for a crooked tie. stevenleser Jun 2012 #14

Such callous disregard for innocent life being lost morningfog Jun 2012 #26

That is a pretty desperate reach from what I said, dontcha think? nt stevenleser Jun 2012 #43

Considering you are unwilling to address anything more than the headline morningfog Jun 2012 #44

The article is attempted drama that the President is exercising uncheckable power. It's not so. stevenleser Jun 2012 #48

Do you support Obama's Drone Doctrine? morningfog Jun 2012 #63

How do you define "Obama's Drone Doctrine?" stevenleser Jun 2012 #79

It is Obama's doctrine of warfare. morningfog Jun 2012 #83

I am familiar with what is happening. I am not familiar with how you interpret it. stevenleser Jun 2012 #84

I prefer no acts of war, generally. Specifically, morningfog Jun 2012 #86

I would also add congress could withhold funding Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #74

Great point. Yes, two methods congress could use to stop this. If they wanted to stevenleser Jun 2012 #77

Two! Two methods to check the President's power Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #78

Theoretical "checkable powers" not currently being used amount to "unchecked powers". morningfog Jun 2012 #81

No, they don't. Anything is impeachable. Not impeaching doesnt mean you cannot. nt stevenleser Jun 2012 #82

I give up. morningfog Jun 2012 #85

Some call it "unchecked." Congress calls it Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #102

Except that requests for information have been denied morningfog Jun 2012 #104

I like the way you talk railsback Jun 2012 #33

For what it is worth, the phrase is not in the article... Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #20

Are you advocating Obama be impeached? morningfog Jun 2012 #22

Not at all. I am refuting the assertion that there is no opportunity to check the Presidents power. stevenleser Jun 2012 #28

Did you read past the headline? morningfog Jun 2012 #32

That changes nothing. In an impeachment hearing, they can subpeona witnesses and if they stevenleser Jun 2012 #42

It is unchecked war being run out of the executive office. morningfog Jun 2012 #46

Congress impeached over a blowjob. I am sure they could impeach for this if they wanted to. stevenleser Jun 2012 #49

Who knows, maybe they will. It isn't there yet. Nor is it the point of the morningfog Jun 2012 #64

Nixon only had an "enemies list". Now, our president has a kill list. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #6

Not 'IF' but 'WHEN' ChazII Jun 2012 #9

Was Truman's use of the atomic bomb OK? The fire bombing of Dresden? panader0 Jun 2012 #12

No. Neither were OK. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #13

No panader0 Jun 2012 #15

Did Congress declare this war we are "fighting"? RC Jun 2012 #18

we posted at the same time and i'm on the same page re the war on terror as you xiamiam Jun 2012 #25

Yes, it did. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #34

The AUMF was used by the bu$h administration to get their war on, instead of the police action RC Jun 2012 #66

The AUMF authorizes these actions. Again, I direct you to the declaration of war in 1861. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #75

The AUMF was a Declaration of War? bvar22 Jun 2012 #68

Sorry if you think it's funny. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #76

What is funny is watching the same crowd of partisan apologists... bvar22 Jun 2012 #89

Your post is full of straw men and bullshit. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #90

Whiskey Rebellion before that Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #91

Damn that George Washington. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #92

Your post is full of unfounded balderdash and disingenuous poppycock! bvar22 Jun 2012 #94

Lincoln's got everything to do with my point in this subthread. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #95

You are mistaken. bvar22 Jun 2012 #99

You haven't corrected me about shit. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #100

Did Too! bvar22 Jun 2012 #103

Goodbye, bvar22. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #105

and unless we rise up against this nonsense we will always be at war against a concept xiamiam Jun 2012 #19

International law long recognizes that some groups Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #93

When is this war going to end? Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #73

Both were horrific war crimes. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #21

I would suggest that it is not black and white. morningfog Jun 2012 #23

yes..but it is not profitable to americas number one weapons manufacturing industry xiamiam Jun 2012 #27

You are right treestar Jun 2012 #70

So Ghaddafi "needed" to be taken out? Who gets to decide this? mister roboto Jun 2012 #96

So an alleged classified leak over an alleged kill list is enough to get everyone upset? randome Jun 2012 #36

The concerned have gotten upset with far less. great white snark Jun 2012 #54

+1 Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #80

Another drones thread? Damn it, you are undermining our beloved president quinnox Jun 2012 #38

It is comical how much weight morningfog Jun 2012 #41

A proper war quaker bill Jun 2012 #47

Did we have kill lists in WWII? JoePhilly Jun 2012 #52

What do any of those wars have to do with unitary executive wars in the morningfog Jun 2012 #65

So you are saying that the CIC should just let the military JoePhilly Jun 2012 #88

I'm saying the open-ended, never ending, ill-defined, world-is-a-warzone morningfog Jun 2012 #97

Which is it, open-ended, or never ending? JoePhilly Jun 2012 #101

Are you suggesting that deaniac21 Jun 2012 #57

Be interesting to see U.S. reaction when some other country DirkGently Jun 2012 #60

Yep, and we set the precedent. RC Jun 2012 #67

The reaction will be to wave a lot of flags, declare them to be murderers, and launch another war. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #72