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toddwv

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231. It's extremely relevant to the entire discussion.

Thu Jul 14, 2016, 01:21 PM

Jul 2016

One of the first things that the anti-black lobby whips out in any discussion of race is the disparity in rates between black and whites.

The FBI did a report in 2006 about how white supremacists are infiltrating police forces in apparently increasing numbers. Here we have a situation where 5 cops are murdered, and 1 of them turns out to be a avowed racist. That's a pretty disturbing percentage, especially for California. So what's the actual ratio? How did this slim serve for so long? What's it like in the Deep South?

We have a known deliberate bias in not just how crime stats are gathered but also how suspects are treated and extensive indication that white supremacists have infiltrated law enforcement.

So sorry, I can't see this man as a hero. Should he have been murdered in cold blood? No. However, there is a standard practice of demonizing the victim of a police shooting. Don't we have the right to know if our police officers are secretly or privately just racist scum?

The racism problem among cops is a huge issue that needs to be addressed. How many lives have been lost just because of the prejudicial bias of groups like the "Lynwood Vikings" or the "Grim Reapers?"

It makes all statistics concerning policing suspect.

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Slain Dallas Cop Might�ve Been A White Supremacist: Still A Hero? [View all] HipChick Jul 2016 OP

shit... well,... better out their ass's right now, the 2006 FBI report wasn't written for nothing uponit7771 Jul 2016 #1

Well, does that mean he deserved to be shot? TeddyR Jul 2016 #2

Well, do you mean this should go undiscussed? ret5hd Jul 2016 #10

Of course not TeddyR Jul 2016 #18

So it's OK to discuss it but not write about it, or just not here on DU? ret5hd Jul 2016 #22

If the point is to tarnish the name TeddyR Jul 2016 #29

How is it tarnishing his name? Statistical Jul 2016 #39

I dunno... ret5hd Jul 2016 #42

To be clear, I didn't say you called him a hero TeddyR Jul 2016 #76

Let me interject here between you two. The cop being a white supremacist is . . . brush Jul 2016 #106

Yeah seems like being a cop is a dream job for white supremacists they literally get to craigmatic Jul 2016 #163

omfg... this is OP worthy!!! uponit7771 Jul 2016 #174

EDIT: The cop involved with the shooting of Alton wasn't the guy in the story who posted racist text uponit7771 Jul 2016 #177

He sure pumped those bullets into Sterling's chest quickly, even though . . . brush Jul 2016 #186

+1, on the pumping lead into the guys chest... the other LEO had Altons hand... seemed like a bad uponit7771 Jul 2016 #189

You are mistaken Vattel Jul 2016 #216

I saw the video. I saw a cop, already on top of a black man, with assistance from . . . brush Jul 2016 #223

Turds. AngryAmish Jul 2016 #146

Go get em' TeddyR..I'm right behind you. nt clarice Jul 2016 #56

.that^ 840high Jul 2016 #62

When a black kid gets shot by the police... Teamster Jeff Jul 2016 #74

Yes, the double standard always shocks me.. HipChick Jul 2016 #98

Not only that zz-la Jul 2016 #99

^^^THIS^^^^ Literally happens, MSNBC pulled up Castile's traffic tickets !!!! uponit7771 Jul 2016 #110

I thought that was to show that he had been hassled by the cops unfairly for years oberliner Jul 2016 #148

Yes, but things like facts don't interfere with rage or beliefs. n/t Igel Jul 2016 #158

Or things like they said nothing about harrasment in this context, they did it to dig up dirt on his uponit7771 Jul 2016 #166

Not the first time right after he was shot, they said during the segment that they researched his uponit7771 Jul 2016 #165

Gotcha oberliner Jul 2016 #203

Excellent observation. Hoyt Jul 2016 #188

I doubt he would have considered being called a white supremacist tarnishing his name shawn703 Jul 2016 #85

Based on what? Throd Jul 2016 #92

Preconceived notions... TipTok Jul 2016 #200

One of the problems in this nation gopiscrap Jul 2016 #145

there is long term KKK membership HipChick Jul 2016 #183

Innuendo and tenuous circumstancial 'evidence'... TipTok Jul 2016 #201

it usually does when it suits the gop gopiscrap Jul 2016 #210

So you even admit it's flimsy but perpetuate a smear against a dead cop... TipTok Jul 2016 #218

yup gopiscrap Jul 2016 #229

Classy... TipTok Jul 2016 #230

Not here to be classy gopiscrap Jul 2016 #236

That sounds... TipTok Jul 2016 #237

we only have Thanksgiving with like minded friends gopiscrap Jul 2016 #238

Maybe you could clone yourself.... TipTok Jul 2016 #239

Should we discuss Alton Sterling and his sordid past? oberliner Jul 2016 #31

Alton Sterling wasn't a paid public employee gopiscrap Jul 2016 #147

Lorne Ahrens is dead oberliner Jul 2016 #149

but we had the Pres, a former pres, a vp and god knows gopiscrap Jul 2016 #152

There were five cops murdered by a deranged sniper in a domestic terror attack oberliner Jul 2016 #204

No. But he shouldn't be hailed as a hero either. puffy socks Jul 2016 #25

Unless there's a documented history of corruption or wrongdoing, police killed in whathehell Jul 2016 #83

That's true and we shouldn't puffy socks Jul 2016 #170

Not sure I agree.. whathehell Jul 2016 #196

Not true. puffy socks Jul 2016 #214

I'll believe it when I see links for both.. whathehell Jul 2016 #220

My husband is an FDNY 9/11 survivor. annavictorious Jul 2016 #227

totally agree with you gopiscrap Jul 2016 #154

Where specifically was that premise implied? LanternWaste Jul 2016 #38

It may mean that he deserved to be stopped. Had the police departments been run as jtuck004 Jul 2016 #70

No, it means we need to weed the supremacists out of PDs across the country. CrispyQ Jul 2016 #81

+1,000,000 AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #88

"No, it means we need to weed the supremacists out of PDs across the country." I disagree. cstanleytech Jul 2016 #95

Yep KKK groups have been infiltrating PD's since at least the Nixon administration zz-la Jul 2016 #100

So no answer to if he is still a hero? Just dodge the question and move on? Rex Jul 2016 #94

No he's not a hero gopiscrap Jul 2016 #151

Why is it gunners support white wingers, george zimmerman, darren wilson, etc. Don't believe he Hoyt Jul 2016 #102

he was the huge one? AntiBank Jul 2016 #3

I've been waiting all week for this thread! bonemachine Jul 2016 #4

Uh oh... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #5

K&R Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #6

When I want to know something I turn to "internet sleuths." NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #7

When unarmed African Americans are killed by racist cops.... Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #8

+1 n/t jaysunb Jul 2016 #14

Unless it is materially relevant to his death mythology Jul 2016 #16

But it *is* always an issue with minorities. Every time. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #40

+1 n/t IL Lib Jul 2016 #86

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #119

Little Bobby down the street did it... TipTok Jul 2016 #157

It's an issue when it's relevant. Igel Jul 2016 #164

Shit, some people are making a big deal about Philando Castile being cited over 50 MillennialDem Jul 2016 #215

It's extremely relevant to the entire discussion. toddwv Jul 2016 #231

Some progressives, too! 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #17

How about they are both bad things to do? oberliner Jul 2016 #23

I dunno...why do you do that? ret5hd Jul 2016 #47

I don't understand the question oberliner Jul 2016 #132

Yes they do go after the victims past that is no lie and not just rw, usually MSM that shows it too Person 2713 Jul 2016 #68

Agree... HipChick Jul 2016 #69

It is absolutely wrong to do this to victims of police killings, Chemisse Jul 2016 #73

I must be missing something. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2016 #234

Hell the right wingers were trying to show that little Tamar Rice was in a gang zz-la Jul 2016 #101

Are u sure u replied to the right person? Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #103

Sorry Cali I was trying to back up your point zz-la Jul 2016 #104

No problem Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #107

Yeah, but we're not Right Wingers here.. whathehell Jul 2016 #197

I would agree with that zz-la Jul 2016 #242

On principle I agree but better analogy maybe is predator and a prey? lostnfound Jul 2016 #202

And I believe everything the MSM says. ohnoyoudidnt Jul 2016 #207

Blue Lives Matter . . . unless they're White Supremacists - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #9

No Blue Lives don't matter gopiscrap Jul 2016 #153

Sorry, but that doesn't work either.. whathehell Jul 2016 #198

So you're saying that he was no angel? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #11

All those cops need to be publicly scrutinized mwrguy Jul 2016 #12

The murdered ones? oberliner Jul 2016 #21

This one turned out to be a white supremacist mwrguy Jul 2016 #45

Did he? I thought it said he may have been. WillowTree Jul 2016 #54

One blogger is making the allegation lapucelle Jul 2016 #80

one of their points of justification was that he attended a baptist church. n/t Calista241 Jul 2016 #125

No he didn't oberliner Jul 2016 #133

Agreed craigmatic Jul 2016 #161

Being killed doesn't automatically make you a hero Warpy Jul 2016 #13

It doesn't automatically make you a martyr either Leontius Jul 2016 #71

It could be relevant (NOT justified), if Johnson knew this, and targeted Ahrens on that basis LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #15

Slain Dallas Cop Might�ve Been A White Supremacist: sarisataka Jul 2016 #19

Alton Sterling was a registered sex offender oberliner Jul 2016 #20

Except nobody has really called Alton Sterling a hero. Especially not the media Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #24

Another (young black hero) bites the dust (Alton Sterling) oberliner Jul 2016 #26

postcount.net? Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #27

That was the site that broke the story oberliner Jul 2016 #28

I can't even access the site because my work firewall has it blocked. Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #32

The President as well Bok_Tukalo Jul 2016 #33

Some random blogger on the internet, with no evidence whatsoever, B2G Jul 2016 #35

Some random person with a cell phone video oberliner Jul 2016 #113

Yes. And that is evidence. B2G Jul 2016 #117

Agreed oberliner Jul 2016 #131

He could have been the world's biggest criminal Warpy Jul 2016 #37

And neither should these cops in Dallas have been executed oberliner Jul 2016 #126

But not the post I replied to. Warpy Jul 2016 #182

Unless there's documented corruption, police killed in the line of duty whathehell Jul 2016 #79

They died in the line of duty. Igel Jul 2016 #167

I looked into this and here is what I found. jaysunb Jul 2016 #90

I completely agree with your point oberliner Jul 2016 #130

I gotcha. :) n/t jaysunb Jul 2016 #156

Which has nothing to do with the fact that he was living his life zz-la Jul 2016 #105

Both were murdered for no reason oberliner Jul 2016 #127

And I am fine with that zz-la Jul 2016 #134

So he deserved to be shot to death? tenderfoot Jul 2016 #118

Of course not oberliner Jul 2016 #128

Strawman, no one called him a hero ... just human and didn't deserve to be shot like that regardless uponit7771 Jul 2016 #120

Fair point oberliner Jul 2016 #129

Unnn, I read the article... if Sterling had a past that showed he'd kill white cops and then got... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #136

It's relevant if a cop is a white supremacist. Gormy Cuss Jul 2016 #219

Why not focus on those cops who are still alive and might be white supremacists? oberliner Jul 2016 #221

Why ignore it in one who was gunned down? Gormy Cuss Jul 2016 #222

Common decency? oberliner Jul 2016 #224

I hate to keep beating this drum Uponthegears Jul 2016 #138

+1, I don't think people read the article... this shit is disturbing... he has a like of tRump ... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #141

Hard as it may be to take, the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. WillowTree Jul 2016 #30

Make no mistake: white supremacists think black people should die or be slaves. So why is KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #36

I don't think your statement holds up logically. Deserving to die a non-hero's death is not the... yawnmaster Jul 2016 #50

The majority of the people at that demonstration were black. WillowTree Jul 2016 #58

Thank you whathehell Jul 2016 #84

These cops were hero's. They were protecting the folks protesting the cops! Wayburn Jul 2016 #34

That's what we do now, right? Full vetting of the murdered. alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #41

Oh My malaise Jul 2016 #43

+1, His FB has a like of UIC... wtf... I would at LEAST be having a sit down with this guy if he uponit7771 Jul 2016 #137

False premise. Being murdered is not heroic. REP Jul 2016 #44

"But what if the sniper accidentally shot somebody who might have been an asshole?" struggle4progress Jul 2016 #46

Still a murder victim. nt redwitch Jul 2016 #48

Probably should not go there. kacekwl Jul 2016 #49

Mixed feelings Bradical79 Jul 2016 #51

My god, this is gross. Marr Jul 2016 #52

...!100++++ 840high Jul 2016 #64

It's the same HuffPo blog site lapucelle Jul 2016 #82

Thank you. cwydro Jul 2016 #112

HuffPo has been garbage for a while. Oneironaut Jul 2016 #115

If it's true than he redeemed himself with this Karma and can move on. n/t Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #53

He even shaved his head Separation Jul 2016 #55

Based on your last two threads, I have to wonder what planet you live on. I've never seen such hate clarice Jul 2016 #57

+1 (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #89

Derelict FOXMSNBCCNN billhicks76 Jul 2016 #59

For the media a slain cop is a symbol, not a real person. Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #60

Nobody deserves to be killed. 840high Jul 2016 #61

Yep, this thread represents an unproductive, if not counter-productive, endeavor. nt 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #63

this op deserves to be trashed. 840high Jul 2016 #66

Not even Hitler? - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #195

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #65

It DOES appear to be a "fanning the flames" attempt. nt 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #67

The writer cites very little evidence other that of "Internet sleuths" lapucelle Jul 2016 #72

This is false, his face book page likes is enough... a like of UIC is worthy of a sit down by itself uponit7771 Jul 2016 #139

Nil mortuii dire nisi bonum .. DemoTex Jul 2016 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author matt819 Jul 2016 #77

Really? Are we smearing the victim to makes his death sort of okay - here on DU? Chemisse Jul 2016 #78

Do you think he would have considered the label a smear shawn703 Jul 2016 #87

We cannot ask him because he was murdered; so, your post simply continues the smear (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #91

Blaming the victim of a crime because of his unrelated beliefs or actions is despicable. Chemisse Jul 2016 #176

Amen. 840high Jul 2016 #241

If you did deep enough you will find that most people are not perfect and have issues which is cstanleytech Jul 2016 #93

A person doesn't have to be a hero for their murder to be tragic. BainsBane Jul 2016 #96

To paraphrase Bogart's character RIck, Ahrens got a lucky break. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2016 #97

So it appears this cop was no angel? MohRokTah Jul 2016 #108

Victim shaming either way is wrong radical noodle Jul 2016 #109

Not too long ago, okasha Jul 2016 #111

+1 (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #114

Hell it could be a surfers cross. B2G Jul 2016 #121

I had no idea there was such a thing as a surfer's cross. okasha Jul 2016 #123

Yep. Big with the surf crowd years ago. B2G Jul 2016 #124

That's why we say we like "critical thinking." Igel Jul 2016 #169

That wasn't the only symbol and you know it, he has a like of the UIC on his FB page!! That in and uponit7771 Jul 2016 #142

There was no point to this article than clickbait. Oneironaut Jul 2016 #116

I disagree, I read the article and if a black man had 3 - 4 symbols of black supremacist signs ... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #135

+1,000 malaise Jul 2016 #140

yes...amazing double standards.. HipChick Jul 2016 #162

+1000....Yeap, more demonetization of anything afrocentric uponit7771 Jul 2016 #168

On his main Facebook page. Igel Jul 2016 #172

Right. Igel Jul 2016 #171

Pourquoi avez-vous rendu le po�me en fran�ais ? lapucelle Jul 2016 #225

I agree, the HuffPo article is completely disgusting. OhioBlue Jul 2016 #194

Dancing on graves, a common sight here nt DustyJoe Jul 2016 #122

In this case, the grave has a parquet floor and the Glenn Miller Band standing by... VOX Jul 2016 #178

This guy is an asshole melman Jul 2016 #143

figures gopiscrap Jul 2016 #144

Actually, when I heard his wife speak a chill went over me. She didn't sound like a grieving wife. glennward Jul 2016 #150

agreed gopiscrap Jul 2016 #155

No he was no hero and given time he probably would've killed innocent minorities craigmatic Jul 2016 #159

Some of the amazing 'facts' included in this in depth investigation include nuggets like this... TipTok Jul 2016 #160

Well yeah... you're right... lets just ignore the UIC like, tRump like and all the other 88er tats.. uponit7771 Jul 2016 #173

It just shows an ignorance of the culture... TipTok Jul 2016 #175

I agree, those ALONE don't mean a lot but none of them are alone and we both know that... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #187

Their case is circumstancial at best... TipTok Jul 2016 #193

after reading this HUFF POST ARTICLE.... i think officer Ahrens was an evil man. Racist & trueblue2007 Jul 2016 #179

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #180

"The day before his death, he bought dinner for a homeless man and his dog, LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #181

There are a lot of people being dismissive about the FBI study too. uponit7771 Jul 2016 #191

I read the article bluestateguy Jul 2016 #184

I think there should be no maybe at all... I see those signs after being pulled over and I'm going.. uponit7771 Jul 2016 #190

Racism can be a view of the world HipChick Jul 2016 #199

guess we will just have to wait til the movie comes out dembotoz Jul 2016 #185

A Texas cop "might" have been a white supremacist? ContinentalOp Jul 2016 #192

The same people on this thread giving you flack for giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #205

Excellent observation... HipChick Jul 2016 #206

... giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #208

You guys are every bit as bad as Trump LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #228

If you say so. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #233

Not only is the point being made sailing way over your head... Pacifist Patriot Jul 2016 #235

Their point is vile, and this OP crosses the line, IMO (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #240

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Jul 2016 #209

So the shooter knew this before he killed Ahrens? ileus Jul 2016 #211

and DU sinks to a new low Vattel Jul 2016 #212

I suppose if you kill 1000 cops, and one was a bad guy it was worth it. ileus Jul 2016 #213

The commentors at PuffingtonHost agreeing with the writer is incredible. BKH70041 Jul 2016 #217

I am sure the author of the artricle whistler162 Jul 2016 #226

Being a victim doesn't make one a hero Martin Eden Jul 2016 #232