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66. When there is only a two party system...

Thu Jul 14, 2016, 08:44 PM

Jul 2016

it doesn't shock me when people use those parties and then don't support them. The two parties are the privileged and powerful political entities, not beholden to anyone else, so it doesn't bother me, and it doesn't hurt the Democratic Party anyways.

I blame the shitty ass, archaic, completely anti-democratic electoral system we have, and in such a system, anyone who puts an ideologue like West on their committees is the one to blame when they come out in support of someone more to their liking.

And none of this swings the election one way or the other anyways, and there are much bigger fish to fry, so I don't really get worked up. I get more worked up about things like first past the post and gerrymandering.

Our electoral system has allowed for the rise of someone like Trump while simultaneously encouraging apathy, the worst of all worlds.

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Cornel West, member of DNC platform committee, comes out in support of Jill Stein [View all] charlyvi Jul 2016 OP

At last, a voice of reason. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #1

Not surprising... giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #2

Why on earth did he accept the platform committee position? charlyvi Jul 2016 #4

I think it was supposed to be a power play to try & get BS giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #24

His character leaves much to be desired. n/t charlyvi Jul 2016 #25

Has since he started on his deranged rantings about PBO. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #26

Don't you mean RE-started on his deranged (and offensive) rantings about PBO? George II Jul 2016 #103

No, I mean since he initially started. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #144

Is "PBO" code? Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2016 #147

WTF? giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #191

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #62

Sort of a stick it in your eye. WhiteTara Jul 2016 #91

Why was he offered the platform committee position? JVS Jul 2016 #198

because he wants attention- snooper2 Jul 2016 #204

Explains why Bernie was a hold out so long liberal N proud Jul 2016 #3

Trying to influence the platform of a party you are not supporting charlyvi Jul 2016 #7

He never should have been offered liberal N proud Jul 2016 #11

Yes. Agreed. charlyvi Jul 2016 #12

He should be removed from the DNC platform committee immediately. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #5

An honorable man would resign. baldguy Jul 2016 #8

Key word "honorable." grossproffit Jul 2016 #35

I think the damage is done. n/t charlyvi Jul 2016 #10

He should. sarae Jul 2016 #40

+1 fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #64

Unfortunately I think their work has been completed. But I do think we/they need to re-examine... George II Jul 2016 #108

The work of the platform committee was completed last weekend Gothmog Jul 2016 #203

True colors, sad, makes you doubt his service on the DNC Platform committee. Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #6

Brother Cornell ... what a laugh. bdwker Jul 2016 #9

Dr. Cornel West got on my last damn nerve about 4 years ago.... TheDebbieDee Jul 2016 #13

Same here shenmue Jul 2016 #49

Mine 8 years ago!!! Stellar Jul 2016 #88

^Yup, 8 years ago on NPR sheshe2 Jul 2016 #114

If the Greens and Libs want to be taken seriously, they need to do more than pop out every 4 years. NightWatcher Jul 2016 #14

What're................. HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #92

Libertarians. MrScorpio Jul 2016 #104

Ah, thx.... HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #105

I'm astounded! Shocked! Amazed! No, wait, the other thing... Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #15

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #16

Whoa! charlyvi Jul 2016 #17

I'm good now Gman Jul 2016 #18

OK. Whew! n/t charlyvi Jul 2016 #19

Keep going. You were on a good roll, an accurate one. brush Jul 2016 #28

But his blood pressure!!! LOL n/t charlyvi Jul 2016 #33

Win shenmue Jul 2016 #51

Yep bravenak Jul 2016 #59

To hell with Cornel he thinks he's some kind of authority rbrnmw Jul 2016 #81

Teeny tiny little silly man bravenak Jul 2016 #116

yes rbrnmw Jul 2016 #117

People shoulda listened to us. We told them about Cornel years ago bravenak Jul 2016 #118

and retold them during the primaries rbrnmw Jul 2016 #119

And will have to tell them again soon enough bravenak Jul 2016 #120

sure will rbrnmw Jul 2016 #212

remember this bullshit he said about President Obama? rbrnmw Jul 2016 #121

Yeah I remember that weak ass shit bravenak Jul 2016 #123

yes they should rbrnmw Jul 2016 #126

I'm not surprised. He loathes PBO AND HRC DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #20

I guess he accepted the DNC platform assignment charlyvi Jul 2016 #22

Disappear, Dr. West. Paladin Jul 2016 #21

And he was on the platform committee? mcar Jul 2016 #23

He's still pissed about not getting an invite to Obama's inauguration ball Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #27

And, he'll never be pissed at Jill Stein for the same thing. msanthrope Jul 2016 #45

Subtle. charlyvi Jul 2016 #58

I am seldom accused of subtlety. Gotta work on that. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #209

+1 my first thought as well. n/t tammywammy Jul 2016 #61

^^ THIS! LOL nolawarlock Jul 2016 #146

More smack downs on Pres Obama. Shame on him. riversedge Jul 2016 #29

Self-dealing clown rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #30

I'm sure "Doctor" Stein finds him "articulate". n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #31

I think it says more about his character charlyvi Jul 2016 #32

Eff him, he's always been an ivory-tower asshole. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2016 #34

You're fucking kidding me gwheezie Jul 2016 #36

Noted. Not fucking kidding you at all!! n/t charlyvi Jul 2016 #37

"And then I felt an urgent need to see my name in the news again!" struggle4progress Jul 2016 #38

People need to stop giving him press metroins Jul 2016 #39

The Green Party is more progressive... MellowDem Jul 2016 #41

He had no business being on any Democratic platform committee Peigan68 Jul 2016 #48

^^^^THIS^^^^ charlyvi Jul 2016 #57

He has always been a democrat and it is not his duty to support anyone distasteful to him swhisper1 Jul 2016 #65

If she is so distasteful to him, charlyvi Jul 2016 #69

He's not a Democrat. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #72

West is NO DEMOCRAT MohRokTah Jul 2016 #83

This Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #112

Did you just miss the point of everything everyone here has said? nolawarlock Jul 2016 #150

Clinton isn't a white supremacist and doesn't repeat their memes, I don't see the parrallel uponit7771 Jul 2016 #115

If he found her so distasteful, nolawarlock Jul 2016 #149

When there is only a two party system... MellowDem Jul 2016 #66

good post Kali Jul 2016 #77

We can thank Bernie for that. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #151

for what? bonemachine Jul 2016 #217

+1000 nolawarlock Jul 2016 #148

Which is why they get 3% of the vote. GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #125

You've misplaced your decimal there, methinks. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #179

0.35% in 2012. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #208

West knew that and should've gone Green long before now. Dishonest, oasis Jul 2016 #136

They forgot "petty", and "nut job" in their list of ... JoePhilly Jul 2016 #42

Bernie should apologize for putting him on our platform committee. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #43

I second that. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #152

One day, Cornel West will be able to get out of a wet brown paper bag n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #44

who.....? nt msongs Jul 2016 #46

I still have nothing but love, admiration, and respect for Cornel West Nevernose Jul 2016 #47

Appreciate your post. charlyvi Jul 2016 #52

He didnt have to stir the pot tho, he is baiting, and far from depressed swhisper1 Jul 2016 #63

He also did a good job at screwing over Sanders and his movement. Chathamization Jul 2016 #75

Well said charlyvi Jul 2016 #76

I doubt he did it for selfish motives Nevernose Jul 2016 #80

I don't. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #84

+1. nt tblue37 Jul 2016 #94

Best point on the thread so far. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #154

Excellent post, well said. nt auntpurl Jul 2016 #182

.+1 840high Jul 2016 #87

He's an academic idiot. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #153

What a dick move. Skinner Jul 2016 #50

Super dick move. charlyvi Jul 2016 #54

What a loser. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #53

I think it cost him many votes from POC charlyvi Jul 2016 #55

And he kept doubling down. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #56

Some of us tried to warn people around here about West... Stellar Jul 2016 #102

I listened to what they said in 2008. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #111

They couldn't shine Obama's shoes. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #155

Fantastic choice that narcissistic prick was nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #60

Dementia? milestogo Jul 2016 #67

Call me "unsurprised" bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #68

This whole fucking experiment has been an unmitigated disaster... Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #70

And what exactly is the problem with the Platform? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #73

Thank you. No matter what one thinks of West or his statements... arcane1 Jul 2016 #132

Some people just cant let go of the primary fun. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #134

And some people can't let go of their hidden agendas, nolawarlock Jul 2016 #158

Like who? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #166

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #175

You miss the point. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #159

He didn't say there was anything wrong the platform. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #157

Sanders did what a primary candidate is supposed to do. He lost, he conceded, he endorsed. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #165

I'm not fighting anything. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #171

He made himself irrelevant and goofy with this move. Beyond that, by all means, keep commenting. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #172

Really? nolawarlock Jul 2016 #174

Im a part of what? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #177

On DU, primaries are like diamonds: They're forever. merrily Jul 2016 #185

Yeah, and it appears I'm supposed to be a JPR regular, even though I've never posted there. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #186

Turned out, I controlled the Bernie Sanders Group, though I was a mod for only about three days merrily Jul 2016 #187

Someone accused you of posting at JPR? You don't post there..... msanthrope Jul 2016 #211

Well, look. I have friends there. Good people are there. I'm not going to bad mouth them. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #214

Free will, whatyagonnado? Rex Jul 2016 #216

! stopbush Jul 2016 #71

He's wrong. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #74

Exactly, WDM. charlyvi Jul 2016 #78

Well, good riddance. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #79

Honestly, neither do I charlyvi Jul 2016 #82

Oh it'll make a difference ... nolawarlock Jul 2016 #160

Oh no! Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #167

I haven't told them anything. It's just obvious. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #169

Cornel West is a DISHONORABLE man. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #85

Agreed charlyvi Jul 2016 #93

Bernie Sanders probably would have gotten more votes Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #86

Yeah, like sanity. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #161

The candidate with the better judgement won the primary. nt LexVegas Jul 2016 #89

The people Clinton appointed to the Platform Comittee Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #98

I disagree, the Clinton people were much better on the issues. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #113

And this person Sanders appointed helped get those things on the platform and then abandoned them. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #162

Cornel West has been consistent the whole way through. craigmatic Jul 2016 #90

Bullshit. charlyvi Jul 2016 #97

Cornell West cares about ... nolawarlock Jul 2016 #163

Yes romanic Jul 2016 #180

You're talking about craigmatic Jul 2016 #188

What someone thinks of Obama is subjective romanic Jul 2016 #210

Tried to warn peeps around here about that guy and nobody wanted to hear it. nt Stellar Jul 2016 #95

When someone at DU wrote Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #109

I agree. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #164

This is a knife in the back to all of we Democrats. herding cats Jul 2016 #96

The DNC can ask West to resign from the committee Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #100

West saying that isn't enough. herding cats Jul 2016 #110

Whoever thought it was a wise idea for him to be a top advisor? pnwmom Jul 2016 #99

That should put ALL the platform concessions up for renegotiations. Isn't he that guy.... George II Jul 2016 #101

That would be bad for party unity Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #107

Which ones, George? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #122

All those that Mr. West disingenuously "negotiated" knowing full well...... George II Jul 2016 #127

Im asking what specific platform positions you have a problem with. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #128

I answered your question. Essentially West was a mole for the Green Party. George II Jul 2016 #131

No, you didnt. This is about positions. The platform isnt a personality contest, it is a statement Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #133

Think what you want. I have very little respect for West or those he lied to.... George II Jul 2016 #138

right, but you mentioned the platform. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #139

One that clearly West never had any intention of following through on. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #168

Congratulations on jumping in to also not answer the question. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #170

The other post I was talking about didn't want to change it. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #173

Okay, but this post wants to change it. So it is here nor there. Or here, if not there. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #176

He sure is that guy who called Obama ''niggerized" a few years ago bravenak Jul 2016 #124

there is nothing on there that Clinton doesn't want . you must not think that highly of Hillary if JI7 Jul 2016 #145

As a Hillary supporter, I agree with this post. auntpurl Jul 2016 #183

Have you read the platform yet? Do you know the wording of the individual planks? George II Jul 2016 #193

did he have a gun to their heads ? west is an idiot but he wasn't the only one on the committee JI7 Jul 2016 #194

An apparently he spent his entire time on the Platform Committee trying to undermine... George II Jul 2016 #195

it wasn't some secret meeting. And i don't think Clinton is an idiot JI7 Jul 2016 #197

He's an utter waste of time BeyondGeography Jul 2016 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #129

So when Debbie Wasserman Schultz works with Sheldon Adelson to kill medical marijuana in florida Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #130

What's with the pot? GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #135

Maybe it's a big joke in Mayberry, but there are 50 million people on the West Coast. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #140

and I don't appreciate people implying that I'm not a real Democrat, so there. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #142

Well, fwiw I agreed with your self deleted post. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #143

Disagree. Bernie's acted honorably. I don't believe he knew about this. auntpurl Jul 2016 #184

She can call him. He doesn't owe her an answer though. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #207

Go, West, Old Man Night Watchman Jul 2016 #156

Cornel West, member of DNC platform committee, comes out in support of Jill Stein. LenaBaby61 Jul 2016 #178

First thought, on reading the header? (No, I didn't skip the article, either.) raven mad Jul 2016 #181

He was one of the worst surrogates Bernie could have chosen oberliner Jul 2016 #189

West called Obama "niggerized" last year and it rung loud among black politico's, West and ... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #213

Hope that you don't mind ... BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #190

Don't mind at all charlyvi Jul 2016 #199

Wonderful indeed and BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #201

Bipolar! mfcorey1 Jul 2016 #192

Okay whistler162 Jul 2016 #196

Two losers together... Historic NY Jul 2016 #200

This stunt on the platform committee by West irked me Gothmog Jul 2016 #202

In other words, despite his rhetoric, he is privileged enough to say screw you to many others. HuckleB Jul 2016 #205

Democracy is messy. nt LWolf Jul 2016 #206

And we should be happy to live in a free country where he can make that mistake. Rex Jul 2016 #215