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170. There is recourse. Leave without paying.

Reply to raven mad (Reply #165)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 08:50 AM

Jul 2016

The clinic director should have called 911. If we don't respond with direct action, nothing will change.

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Shit. It has started. The other day, a patient brought a gun in to the clinic. [View all] Aristus Jul 2016 OP

He has a right to have the weapon on him lapfog_1 Jul 2016 #1

That's what I told the clinic manager. Aristus Jul 2016 #4

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #54

Yeah. Inspiring quotes from syphilitic gangsters. Aristus Jul 2016 #57

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #75

Not spoiling for a fight. Aristus Jul 2016 #77

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #93

I hope you can appreciate that the feelings of gun owners are not on my list of priorities. Aristus Jul 2016 #95

Your attitudes are noted. The response to them WILL BE to dig-in and double-down. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #187

Please get over yourself. Mopar151 Jul 2016 #192

Sorry. Sweeping stereotypes will be countered. Including yours. nt Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #194

As I previously stated...... Mopar151 Jul 2016 #195

I apologize for my remarks to you. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #196

I'll step in here and say that I have immense anger crim son Jul 2016 #99

Please consider rephrasing to gunhumpers MidwestTech Jul 2016 #179

Reminds me of The Fonz SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #111

And all the "cool kids" would dress like him too 7962 Jul 2016 #149

You beleive he has the right to have it "on him" ... etherealtruth Jul 2016 #6

My doctor's office awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #101

awoke, I'm serious - this state doesn't enforce that. At all. raven mad Jul 2016 #165

There is recourse. Leave without paying. Nitram Jul 2016 #170

He doesn't have the right to bring it inside the clinic. rug Jul 2016 #31

Any of the medical facilities I use have a "Strict NO WEAPONS policy on this property" sign. Mopar151 Jul 2016 #193

He does not have the right sarisataka Jul 2016 #42

not "on him" in my state dynamo99 Jul 2016 #86

His only right is to own it ... aggiesal Jul 2016 #96

Rights, schmights. He does NOT have a right to go out in public and deliberately menace people calimary Jul 2016 #104

Isn't "menacing the public" the idea behind open carry? Bragi Jul 2016 #171

totally agree with you.. a question.... NoMoreRepugs Jul 2016 #178

THAT is the problem with open carry. Right there. calimary Jul 2016 #183

agree w/ "asking for trouble" - I find it very hard to believe there aren't numerous instances NoMoreRepugs Jul 2016 #190

The more guns available? The more likely they are to be USED. calimary Jul 2016 #197

Uhm, that prick belongs in jail, what they did was called "brandishing" and is illegal... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #2

That seems like a perfect example LuvNewcastle Jul 2016 #28

Too be honest, it sounds too perfect, and the idiocy of the person committing the crime too stupid.. Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #43

Obviously too stupid to own a gun. calimary Jul 2016 #106

Brandishing (also known as menacing in some jurisdictions) is a felony in many jurisdictions. Statistical Jul 2016 #85

It's assault with a deadly weapon if he points it at anyone. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #100

Anyone call the cops?? nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #3

Exactly, they got their rights, they are responsible, etc., until something happens and they aren't. Hoyt Jul 2016 #5

call 911 mwrguy Jul 2016 #7

That was a crime. Someone should have called the cops hack89 Jul 2016 #8

A little more detail would be helpful. B2G Jul 2016 #9

OP stated he pulled it, pointed it at personnel greiner3 Jul 2016 #32

fwiw, OP didn't actually say he pointed it at personnel. thesquanderer Jul 2016 #38

It kinda reads that way........ Fla_Democrat Jul 2016 #139

You can wave something in someone's face without pointing it at them. thesquanderer Jul 2016 #146

Maybe... the 'patient' Fla_Democrat Jul 2016 #151

It's still "brandishing." Straw Man Jul 2016 #162

Yup, not defending it. thesquanderer Jul 2016 #167

OK. Straw Man Jul 2016 #188

I think your post is the one that fails. frankieallen Jul 2016 #48

In other words it's your responsibility as a non-gun owner to take video everywhere you go lostnfound Jul 2016 #40

Security cam? alfredo Jul 2016 #120

"and leave us to carry whatever or wherever we please" pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #127

I think that one needs to go.... cliffordu Jul 2016 #160

I was being facetious. lostnfound Jul 2016 #174

The only fearful person lancer78 Jul 2016 #158

Wut!?! Heeeeers Johnny Jul 2016 #10

Wtf greiner3 Jul 2016 #34

He had no right to brandish it as you describe LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #11

Assault with a deadly weapon, you mean. Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #58

I tend to agree (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #109

you of course meant pillheads. ileus Jul 2016 #12

That guy belongs in jail and his guns should be confiscated. Period. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #13

OP's colleagues didn't call the cops... Heeeeers Johnny Jul 2016 #16

When the guy pulls a gun, he's no longer a patient. He's a criminal. I understand the sarcasm but... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #19

It's not felony if he wasn't actualy 'waving it around' and B2G Jul 2016 #21

He was told to leave greiner3 Jul 2016 #35

I don't buy the story to begin with. n/t Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #63

especially if no cops were called. 7962 Jul 2016 #150

He was told to leave the weapon in his car. B2G Jul 2016 #69

Aristus has posted during lunchbreaks b/4.Are you implying this is a post&run irisblue Jul 2016 #50

Aristus said .."The other day, a patient brought.....".... Nancyswidower Jul 2016 #59

He was a criminal before he even brandished the firearm and made the demand. Heeeeers Johnny Jul 2016 #23

You don't know he was an addict or why he needed the drugs B2G Jul 2016 #30

Well, he demanded narcotic medication, according to the OP Orrex Jul 2016 #49

Monster? Or OxyContin? AllyCat Jul 2016 #148

They don't have to continue having him as a patient. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #26

They should just shrug it off and let some other clinic deal with him. Heeeeers Johnny Jul 2016 #27

Hold on there, cowboy. I didn't say no one called the cops. Aristus Jul 2016 #44

What's the point of wearing a gun if you can't threaten somebody with it? The_Casual_Observer Jul 2016 #14

Are all gun owners like him? Marengo Jul 2016 #15

Dumb ones are shenmue Jul 2016 #84

I would agree, but the OP didn't include that qualifier. Marengo Jul 2016 #89

What do you mean, "It has started."? Mariana Jul 2016 #17

No greiner3 Jul 2016 #37

I do wish the OP or colleagues had called the police Mariana Jul 2016 #51

Stay safe Aristus. geardaddy Jul 2016 #18

This story seems a bit odd. deaniac21 Jul 2016 #20

+1 leftstreet Jul 2016 #29

+2 frankieallen Jul 2016 #45

Wtf don't you understand greiner3 Jul 2016 #39

No. We're a primary care clinic, and I'm a Physician Assistant. Aristus Jul 2016 #46

You're a PA, and you didn't call the cops? Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #71

I wasn't in the clinic at the time. I only heard about it this morning. Aristus Jul 2016 #72

My attitude is fine. Your post is incredible. Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #74

Well, it's kinda like evolution. You don't have to believe it for it to be true. Aristus Jul 2016 #76

Well, that explains it. Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #81

Okay, private eye, why don't you go there and investigate yourself instead of being a keyboard Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #143

Did anyone call the police? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #153

+1000 Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #82

Just a bit Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #152

+1000000. BS detector activated almost immediately (sorry OP, no offense intended) jack_krass Jul 2016 #176

Damn! In_The_Wind Jul 2016 #22

Healthcare is a dangerous profession. Ilsa Jul 2016 #33

I'm on blood thinner greiner3 Jul 2016 #47

Thank you for all that you do. In_The_Wind Jul 2016 #53

There is certainly no right to display it in a threatening manner. lpbk2713 Jul 2016 #24

I don't know where you live, but where I live in NH a store can put up a Vinca Jul 2016 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author frankieallen Jul 2016 #36

At the least it would be considered brandishing Curtis Jul 2016 #41

In most civilized nations that would be considered armed robbery. Javaman Jul 2016 #52

I think in America it is too...using force/threat of force to take property is a felony. jmg257 Jul 2016 #98

Time to put up a sign NO GUNS ALLOWED turbinetree Jul 2016 #55

Cities and States are proposing and passing laws preventing this. paparush Jul 2016 #66

It's amazing how "Preemptions Laws" are affecting this country turbinetree Jul 2016 #88

What city and/or state? Statistical Jul 2016 #92

I think his problem is opioid addiction... JohnnyRingo Jul 2016 #56

treatment enid602 Jul 2016 #60

If only guns were as rare as quality psychiatric treatment. Squinch Jul 2016 #73

Touche! RobinA Jul 2016 #172

What City in What State? paparush Jul 2016 #61

No where does anyone have the 'right' to wave a gun in someone's face making demands Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #79

This is getting scary. The gun nuts are out of control. Thanks NRA! Initech Jul 2016 #62

Or the drug addicts are out of control. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #67

Or drug addicts with guns. Initech Jul 2016 #68

Which is against federal law. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #70

We always said we'd just toss them the keys to the narc cabinet Warpy Jul 2016 #64

Why is it that many of the people I know with substance abuse problems also like to Squinch Jul 2016 #65

And damn narcotics medicines too LynneSin Jul 2016 #78

They're usually pretty peaceful unless they're Jonesing Warpy Jul 2016 #105

Damn, that is scary PatSeg Jul 2016 #80

Yipes shenmue Jul 2016 #83

So nobody called the cops when a patient brandished a firearm? Statistical Jul 2016 #87

Holy crap, that must have been terrifying IgelJames4 Jul 2016 #90

Stay safe, Aristus! sheshe2 Jul 2016 #91

I'm hoping to be able to talk to my colleague who was involved and get Aristus Jul 2016 #94

That must have been a terrifying experience, sheshe2 Jul 2016 #108

Okay: Update: My colleague and the clinic manager managed to de-escalate the situation. Aristus Jul 2016 #97

Wonder if you'll get picketed by Ammosexuals. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #107

Why not call the cops even after he left? Statistical Jul 2016 #110

seems like he might be a danger to other people Kali Jul 2016 #112

Why not report it to the police later, after he left? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #154

A 'NO GUNS' sign won't do shit. It's a piece of paper, like a restraining order. Francis Booth Jul 2016 #155

Glad you're OK, but I would call the cops. backscatter712 Jul 2016 #185

k and r. riversedge Jul 2016 #102

That was armed robbery, and the police should have been called Downtown Hound Jul 2016 #103

He didn't get away with it, in terms of leaving with what he came for. Aristus Jul 2016 #113

He absolutely did get get away with it. Straw Man Jul 2016 #114

Well, that's on the clinic manager. Aristus Jul 2016 #115

Yes. Straw Man Jul 2016 #116

perhaps you need to call the police and ask them what to do. Sunlei Jul 2016 #161

Judgement Call RobinA Jul 2016 #173

But ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #181

So, the cops WERE NOT contacted. Jesus Hyper-ventilating Christ... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #189

Aristus, I own guns. raven mad Jul 2016 #117

Hunters and people living in the wild I can understand. Aristus Jul 2016 #119

I don't hunt, much anymore. Bit oh, heck yeah do I know what you're saying. raven mad Jul 2016 #129

I hope you and your colleagues remain okay. Sorry about the amazing amounts .... Hekate Jul 2016 #118

That's damn scary! lunatica Jul 2016 #121

We're working on it. Aristus Jul 2016 #122

This whole thread needs to be deleted. Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #123

It didn't happen to you. So it didn't happen? Aristus Jul 2016 #124

Not how you describe it. Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #125

I wouldn't know. Aristus Jul 2016 #131

To be honest, Frank? raven mad Jul 2016 #163

*ahem* Texasgal Jul 2016 #128

Thank you, Texasgal. Aristus Jul 2016 #134

Healthcare workers Texasgal Jul 2016 #140

Your posts in this thread should be deleted pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #130

Thank you, pinboy. Aristus Jul 2016 #135

We know your longtime record here as a straight shooter pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #145

+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #169

Accusing someone of being a liar is against the TOS of a personal attack Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #133

Yep. Any clinic would have immediately called 911. This (as described) is felony armed robbery. jack_krass Jul 2016 #177

Stay safe. applegrove Jul 2016 #126

But, but. . .he has a right to do that, according to the NRA. He's just a good guy with a gun Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #132

Oh yeah. Aristus Jul 2016 #136

me me me me. . . la la la la Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #141

Perfect. Aristus Jul 2016 #142

gun humpers are the biggest cowards on the planet Skittles Jul 2016 #137

You are the perfect example of how one doesn't need a gun in order to KICK ASS! Aristus Jul 2016 #138

Just another RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #144

Stay safe n/t hibbing Jul 2016 #147

A facility should be able to set rules in whether they allow firearms or not in their facility. still_one Jul 2016 #156

They can. What makes you think they can't? Statistical Jul 2016 #180

I know they can. That was actually my point. A fire arm doesn't have to be brandished for the still_one Jul 2016 #182

Scary to think this happened locally Generic Other Jul 2016 #157

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #159

Aristus, you know Alaska is "open carry". The best weapon at public places? raven mad Jul 2016 #164

i think brandishing it barbtries Jul 2016 #166

It's already happened here in NYS: Cooley Hurd Jul 2016 #168

And that guy was wacked enough to use fake guns and bombs... jmg257 Jul 2016 #186

shame there isn't carefully marked bait bottles of IV ex-lax irisblue Jul 2016 #191

I cannot fathom why law enforcement wasn't contacted, and whoever made that decision... Marengo Jul 2016 #175

If he has his piece out, that's brandishing, or felony menacing. backscatter712 Jul 2016 #184