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lostnfound

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174. I was being facetious.

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:42 AM

Jul 2016

I find the idea preposterous that a society that restricts cold medicine and non-flame-retardant sleepwear for kids has a policy of allowing open public carrying of guns on their person, whereupon a person who feels threatened by said weapon should then have to prove that the gun was "brandished".

I don't think the standard is so high for imaginary guns being carried in the waistband of AA youth. Just the mere "reaching for the waistband" (18 such cases, all unarmed, in 4 years http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6791990.html) is considered a good enough excuse for armed police to fear for their lives, while mere unarmed mortals are expected to be okay with open carry as long as there's no "brandishing".

The double standards with these laws, as so clearly shown in the Philando Castile case and the Tamir Ruce case and the gentlemen killed in a Walmart and in so many other cases, is impossible to resolve.

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Shit. It has started. The other day, a patient brought a gun in to the clinic. [View all] Aristus Jul 2016 OP

He has a right to have the weapon on him lapfog_1 Jul 2016 #1

That's what I told the clinic manager. Aristus Jul 2016 #4

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #54

Yeah. Inspiring quotes from syphilitic gangsters. Aristus Jul 2016 #57

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #75

Not spoiling for a fight. Aristus Jul 2016 #77

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #93

I hope you can appreciate that the feelings of gun owners are not on my list of priorities. Aristus Jul 2016 #95

Your attitudes are noted. The response to them WILL BE to dig-in and double-down. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #187

Please get over yourself. Mopar151 Jul 2016 #192

Sorry. Sweeping stereotypes will be countered. Including yours. nt Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #194

As I previously stated...... Mopar151 Jul 2016 #195

I apologize for my remarks to you. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #196

I'll step in here and say that I have immense anger crim son Jul 2016 #99

Please consider rephrasing to gunhumpers MidwestTech Jul 2016 #179

Reminds me of The Fonz SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #111

And all the "cool kids" would dress like him too 7962 Jul 2016 #149

You beleive he has the right to have it "on him" ... etherealtruth Jul 2016 #6

My doctor's office awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #101

awoke, I'm serious - this state doesn't enforce that. At all. raven mad Jul 2016 #165

There is recourse. Leave without paying. Nitram Jul 2016 #170

He doesn't have the right to bring it inside the clinic. rug Jul 2016 #31

Any of the medical facilities I use have a "Strict NO WEAPONS policy on this property" sign. Mopar151 Jul 2016 #193

He does not have the right sarisataka Jul 2016 #42

not "on him" in my state dynamo99 Jul 2016 #86

His only right is to own it ... aggiesal Jul 2016 #96

Rights, schmights. He does NOT have a right to go out in public and deliberately menace people calimary Jul 2016 #104

Isn't "menacing the public" the idea behind open carry? Bragi Jul 2016 #171

totally agree with you.. a question.... NoMoreRepugs Jul 2016 #178

THAT is the problem with open carry. Right there. calimary Jul 2016 #183

agree w/ "asking for trouble" - I find it very hard to believe there aren't numerous instances NoMoreRepugs Jul 2016 #190

The more guns available? The more likely they are to be USED. calimary Jul 2016 #197

Uhm, that prick belongs in jail, what they did was called "brandishing" and is illegal... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #2

That seems like a perfect example LuvNewcastle Jul 2016 #28

Too be honest, it sounds too perfect, and the idiocy of the person committing the crime too stupid.. Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #43

Obviously too stupid to own a gun. calimary Jul 2016 #106

Brandishing (also known as menacing in some jurisdictions) is a felony in many jurisdictions. Statistical Jul 2016 #85

It's assault with a deadly weapon if he points it at anyone. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #100

Anyone call the cops?? nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #3

Exactly, they got their rights, they are responsible, etc., until something happens and they aren't. Hoyt Jul 2016 #5

call 911 mwrguy Jul 2016 #7

That was a crime. Someone should have called the cops hack89 Jul 2016 #8

A little more detail would be helpful. B2G Jul 2016 #9

OP stated he pulled it, pointed it at personnel greiner3 Jul 2016 #32

fwiw, OP didn't actually say he pointed it at personnel. thesquanderer Jul 2016 #38

It kinda reads that way........ Fla_Democrat Jul 2016 #139

You can wave something in someone's face without pointing it at them. thesquanderer Jul 2016 #146

Maybe... the 'patient' Fla_Democrat Jul 2016 #151

It's still "brandishing." Straw Man Jul 2016 #162

Yup, not defending it. thesquanderer Jul 2016 #167

OK. Straw Man Jul 2016 #188

I think your post is the one that fails. frankieallen Jul 2016 #48

In other words it's your responsibility as a non-gun owner to take video everywhere you go lostnfound Jul 2016 #40

Security cam? alfredo Jul 2016 #120

"and leave us to carry whatever or wherever we please" pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #127

I think that one needs to go.... cliffordu Jul 2016 #160

I was being facetious. lostnfound Jul 2016 #174

The only fearful person lancer78 Jul 2016 #158

Wut!?! Heeeeers Johnny Jul 2016 #10

Wtf greiner3 Jul 2016 #34

He had no right to brandish it as you describe LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #11

Assault with a deadly weapon, you mean. Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #58

I tend to agree (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #109

you of course meant pillheads. ileus Jul 2016 #12

That guy belongs in jail and his guns should be confiscated. Period. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #13

OP's colleagues didn't call the cops... Heeeeers Johnny Jul 2016 #16

When the guy pulls a gun, he's no longer a patient. He's a criminal. I understand the sarcasm but... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #19

It's not felony if he wasn't actualy 'waving it around' and B2G Jul 2016 #21

He was told to leave greiner3 Jul 2016 #35

I don't buy the story to begin with. n/t Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #63

especially if no cops were called. 7962 Jul 2016 #150

He was told to leave the weapon in his car. B2G Jul 2016 #69

Aristus has posted during lunchbreaks b/4.Are you implying this is a post&run irisblue Jul 2016 #50

Aristus said .."The other day, a patient brought.....".... Nancyswidower Jul 2016 #59

He was a criminal before he even brandished the firearm and made the demand. Heeeeers Johnny Jul 2016 #23

You don't know he was an addict or why he needed the drugs B2G Jul 2016 #30

Well, he demanded narcotic medication, according to the OP Orrex Jul 2016 #49

Monster? Or OxyContin? AllyCat Jul 2016 #148

They don't have to continue having him as a patient. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #26

They should just shrug it off and let some other clinic deal with him. Heeeeers Johnny Jul 2016 #27

Hold on there, cowboy. I didn't say no one called the cops. Aristus Jul 2016 #44

What's the point of wearing a gun if you can't threaten somebody with it? The_Casual_Observer Jul 2016 #14

Are all gun owners like him? Marengo Jul 2016 #15

Dumb ones are shenmue Jul 2016 #84

I would agree, but the OP didn't include that qualifier. Marengo Jul 2016 #89

What do you mean, "It has started."? Mariana Jul 2016 #17

No greiner3 Jul 2016 #37

I do wish the OP or colleagues had called the police Mariana Jul 2016 #51

Stay safe Aristus. geardaddy Jul 2016 #18

This story seems a bit odd. deaniac21 Jul 2016 #20

+1 leftstreet Jul 2016 #29

+2 frankieallen Jul 2016 #45

Wtf don't you understand greiner3 Jul 2016 #39

No. We're a primary care clinic, and I'm a Physician Assistant. Aristus Jul 2016 #46

You're a PA, and you didn't call the cops? Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #71

I wasn't in the clinic at the time. I only heard about it this morning. Aristus Jul 2016 #72

My attitude is fine. Your post is incredible. Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #74

Well, it's kinda like evolution. You don't have to believe it for it to be true. Aristus Jul 2016 #76

Well, that explains it. Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #81

Okay, private eye, why don't you go there and investigate yourself instead of being a keyboard Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #143

Did anyone call the police? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #153

+1000 Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #82

Just a bit Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #152

+1000000. BS detector activated almost immediately (sorry OP, no offense intended) jack_krass Jul 2016 #176

Damn! In_The_Wind Jul 2016 #22

Healthcare is a dangerous profession. Ilsa Jul 2016 #33

I'm on blood thinner greiner3 Jul 2016 #47

Thank you for all that you do. In_The_Wind Jul 2016 #53

There is certainly no right to display it in a threatening manner. lpbk2713 Jul 2016 #24

I don't know where you live, but where I live in NH a store can put up a Vinca Jul 2016 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author frankieallen Jul 2016 #36

At the least it would be considered brandishing Curtis Jul 2016 #41

In most civilized nations that would be considered armed robbery. Javaman Jul 2016 #52

I think in America it is too...using force/threat of force to take property is a felony. jmg257 Jul 2016 #98

Time to put up a sign NO GUNS ALLOWED turbinetree Jul 2016 #55

Cities and States are proposing and passing laws preventing this. paparush Jul 2016 #66

It's amazing how "Preemptions Laws" are affecting this country turbinetree Jul 2016 #88

What city and/or state? Statistical Jul 2016 #92

I think his problem is opioid addiction... JohnnyRingo Jul 2016 #56

treatment enid602 Jul 2016 #60

If only guns were as rare as quality psychiatric treatment. Squinch Jul 2016 #73

Touche! RobinA Jul 2016 #172

What City in What State? paparush Jul 2016 #61

No where does anyone have the 'right' to wave a gun in someone's face making demands Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #79

This is getting scary. The gun nuts are out of control. Thanks NRA! Initech Jul 2016 #62

Or the drug addicts are out of control. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #67

Or drug addicts with guns. Initech Jul 2016 #68

Which is against federal law. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #70

We always said we'd just toss them the keys to the narc cabinet Warpy Jul 2016 #64

Why is it that many of the people I know with substance abuse problems also like to Squinch Jul 2016 #65

And damn narcotics medicines too LynneSin Jul 2016 #78

They're usually pretty peaceful unless they're Jonesing Warpy Jul 2016 #105

Damn, that is scary PatSeg Jul 2016 #80

Yipes shenmue Jul 2016 #83

So nobody called the cops when a patient brandished a firearm? Statistical Jul 2016 #87

Holy crap, that must have been terrifying IgelJames4 Jul 2016 #90

Stay safe, Aristus! sheshe2 Jul 2016 #91

I'm hoping to be able to talk to my colleague who was involved and get Aristus Jul 2016 #94

That must have been a terrifying experience, sheshe2 Jul 2016 #108

Okay: Update: My colleague and the clinic manager managed to de-escalate the situation. Aristus Jul 2016 #97

Wonder if you'll get picketed by Ammosexuals. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #107

Why not call the cops even after he left? Statistical Jul 2016 #110

seems like he might be a danger to other people Kali Jul 2016 #112

Why not report it to the police later, after he left? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #154

A 'NO GUNS' sign won't do shit. It's a piece of paper, like a restraining order. Francis Booth Jul 2016 #155

Glad you're OK, but I would call the cops. backscatter712 Jul 2016 #185

k and r. riversedge Jul 2016 #102

That was armed robbery, and the police should have been called Downtown Hound Jul 2016 #103

He didn't get away with it, in terms of leaving with what he came for. Aristus Jul 2016 #113

He absolutely did get get away with it. Straw Man Jul 2016 #114

Well, that's on the clinic manager. Aristus Jul 2016 #115

Yes. Straw Man Jul 2016 #116

perhaps you need to call the police and ask them what to do. Sunlei Jul 2016 #161

Judgement Call RobinA Jul 2016 #173

But ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #181

So, the cops WERE NOT contacted. Jesus Hyper-ventilating Christ... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #189

Aristus, I own guns. raven mad Jul 2016 #117

Hunters and people living in the wild I can understand. Aristus Jul 2016 #119

I don't hunt, much anymore. Bit oh, heck yeah do I know what you're saying. raven mad Jul 2016 #129

I hope you and your colleagues remain okay. Sorry about the amazing amounts .... Hekate Jul 2016 #118

That's damn scary! lunatica Jul 2016 #121

We're working on it. Aristus Jul 2016 #122

This whole thread needs to be deleted. Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #123

It didn't happen to you. So it didn't happen? Aristus Jul 2016 #124

Not how you describe it. Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #125

I wouldn't know. Aristus Jul 2016 #131

To be honest, Frank? raven mad Jul 2016 #163

*ahem* Texasgal Jul 2016 #128

Thank you, Texasgal. Aristus Jul 2016 #134

Healthcare workers Texasgal Jul 2016 #140

Your posts in this thread should be deleted pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #130

Thank you, pinboy. Aristus Jul 2016 #135

We know your longtime record here as a straight shooter pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #145

+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #169

Accusing someone of being a liar is against the TOS of a personal attack Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #133

Yep. Any clinic would have immediately called 911. This (as described) is felony armed robbery. jack_krass Jul 2016 #177

Stay safe. applegrove Jul 2016 #126

But, but. . .he has a right to do that, according to the NRA. He's just a good guy with a gun Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #132

Oh yeah. Aristus Jul 2016 #136

me me me me. . . la la la la Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #141

Perfect. Aristus Jul 2016 #142

gun humpers are the biggest cowards on the planet Skittles Jul 2016 #137

You are the perfect example of how one doesn't need a gun in order to KICK ASS! Aristus Jul 2016 #138

Just another RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #144

Stay safe n/t hibbing Jul 2016 #147

A facility should be able to set rules in whether they allow firearms or not in their facility. still_one Jul 2016 #156

They can. What makes you think they can't? Statistical Jul 2016 #180

I know they can. That was actually my point. A fire arm doesn't have to be brandished for the still_one Jul 2016 #182

Scary to think this happened locally Generic Other Jul 2016 #157

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #159

Aristus, you know Alaska is "open carry". The best weapon at public places? raven mad Jul 2016 #164

i think brandishing it barbtries Jul 2016 #166

It's already happened here in NYS: Cooley Hurd Jul 2016 #168

And that guy was wacked enough to use fake guns and bombs... jmg257 Jul 2016 #186

shame there isn't carefully marked bait bottles of IV ex-lax irisblue Jul 2016 #191

I cannot fathom why law enforcement wasn't contacted, and whoever made that decision... Marengo Jul 2016 #175

If he has his piece out, that's brandishing, or felony menacing. backscatter712 Jul 2016 #184