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bluedye33139

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34. Data?

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:08 AM

Jul 2016

I live in Seattle (currently; will be leaving because the cost of living is 2.5x the average) and know a handful of folks on H1B visas who make wages equivalent to their "native" colleagues.

I get that this has been framed as an us-versus-them thing, and there are highly publicized stories of companies using H1B visas to leverage against their workers, but it is the motivation of the corporations to lower wages that is the problem, not the visa program itself.

The agitation against the H1B visas is a rightwing campaign led by Sessions and other ethnocentric extremists who want to preserve the "Anglo/white" cultural composition of the United States, and I've been stymied by white heterosexual male progressives allying with the rightwingers on this issue. The Center for Immigration Studies, for instance, is one of the most vociferous racist organizations in the US, and it gets tons of support from anti-immigration "progressives" that ... well, I don't support anti-immigrant ideologies in general, no matter how Independent-VT the anti-immigrant activists are.

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Clinton Calms Silicon Valley’s Worries, Promises To Preserve High-Skill Visas [View all] Human101948 Jul 2016 OP

Preserving H1B visas is part of a comprehensive approach bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #1

They're not cheap shots, worked in IT and the contracting companies out and out lied about ... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #3

Recruiting companies lying bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #5

Disney workers replaced Cayenne Jul 2016 #4

I'm not requiring "workers" to believe anything bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #6

So screw overpaid Americans? Cayenne Jul 2016 #11

Why do you hate America? bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #12

Why do you not express concern ... GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #40

Why don't you care more for good white decent 'Murkan's, you mean? bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #43

Bullshit. Having worked for a fortune 100 telecom, I can tell you it's all about driving wages down. X_Digger Jul 2016 #22

Is there anything there to bolster displacement laws? We don't need to worry about visas if the ... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #2

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #7

Lack of both nuance and context once again... typical. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #9

H1B visas are bullshit angrychair Jul 2016 #8

The contempt for American workers is appalling Cayenne Jul 2016 #14

There's no consensus - in the economist and social science community at least - Politicub Jul 2016 #19

I saw it first hand, as a hiring manager. I know what we paid US workers vs H1Bs for the same job. X_Digger Jul 2016 #23

Sounds like a shitty company with shitty policies Politicub Jul 2016 #25

Agree bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #26

Bullshit. There is no lack of talent. X_Digger Jul 2016 #29

Data? bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #34

Every company that I've worked for that used H1bs was the same. X_Digger Jul 2016 #28

You're a focus group of one Politicub Jul 2016 #30

What skills specifically do the US workers NOT have gd770226 Jul 2016 #36

There's not enough - it's not that people are getting turned down Politicub Jul 2016 #38

No they wouldn't. Statistical Jul 2016 #37

That doesn't describe where I work Politicub Jul 2016 #39

The Canadians seem to manage ... GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #41

Well, Canada Politicub Jul 2016 #42

HB1s are important Politicub Jul 2016 #10

Important for the rich, not the workers Cayenne Jul 2016 #13

Unless you're a person with an HB1 Politicub Jul 2016 #17

And the US citizens displaced do not depend on their jobs for their livelihood? gd770226 Jul 2016 #20

Just wait for mass automation - HB1s will seem quaint in comparison Politicub Jul 2016 #27

Call me crazy, I think we should try to find Americans for domestic jobs before importing workers. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #15

Borders bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #24

I agree. My husband works in IT and the vast majority of the H1Bs prayin4rain Jul 2016 #35

I guess I will be sitting out this election. modem77 Jul 2016 #16

That makes zero sense Politicub Jul 2016 #18

Why should anybody vote for somebody that flat out supports a program that takes jobs away. gd770226 Jul 2016 #21

one thing for absolutely certain, Trump will do the same and worse. Ignore his mouthy rhetoric. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #32

Won't vote from Trump either gd770226 Jul 2016 #33

There are Americans skilled for those jobs. Wtf? onecaliberal Jul 2016 #31

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