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Death - and lot's of it...nt jonno99 Jul 2016 #1
The North Vietnamese were brutal rulers of the South and thousands in the South were killed. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #2
How many did we kill or maim in Vietnam? n/t malaise Jul 2016 #3
Estimates vary but a conservative estimate is one million in southeast KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #5
Thanks KingCharlemagne malaise Jul 2016 #6
Estimates are all over the place, but I'd say 500K-750K. BUT that wasn't your original question tonyt53 Jul 2016 #8
The "thousands in the South" to whom you refer collaborated with the KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #7
Just like the Taliban, ISIS and more than a few in Central and South America malaise Jul 2016 #9
Since 1898, the U.S. has had a really shitty record in KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #10
The thing is we don't have friends on any side malaise Jul 2016 #14
With all due respect, my friend, your comment is KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #16
Some learn and some don't malaise Jul 2016 #20
Refreshing to read someone who is historically literate. Thank you. Trust Buster Jul 2016 #53
Where did you come up with that nonsense about Vietnam stopping that genocide? tonyt53 Jul 2016 #11
FFS, dude, its history. Who do you think stopped the KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #12
Open a book n/t malaise Jul 2016 #21
Sorry, to break it to you, but you are wrong. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #27
Cuckoo? JanMichael Jul 2016 #56
Were you even alive then? Crunchy Frog Jul 2016 #71
What? Vietnam took over the country Bradical79 Jul 2016 #83
What was the Vietnamese motivation for invading Kampuchea? Marengo Jul 2016 #13
IDK. Humanitarian, maybe? I don't read Vietnamese and so can only rely upon KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #30
Probably both ideological and border security. David__77 Jul 2016 #52
They were attacked Bradical79 Jul 2016 #84
Multiple attacks from Cambodia along the frontier in 1977 and 1978 . . . hatrack Jul 2016 #149
It was not our business, so why did we go in? What resources were we wanting to steal larkrake Jul 2016 #31
and what would have happened if the 1956 nationwide elections had been allowed to proceed Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #62
He is still revered throughout Vietnam as Bác Hồ (Uncle Ho). nt pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #63
We fundamentally misunderstood that situation from the get-go. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #64
WADR, we didn't misunderstand. we understood PERFECTLY, Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #67
Point taken. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #75
SMH Mr Dixon Jul 2016 #154
What's your point? nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #4
what are you wanting to know, specifically? Javaman Jul 2016 #15
Bro in a sense it is a rhetorical question malaise Jul 2016 #18
LBJ wanted OUT of Vietnam, but he was afraid of being labeled as the president who lost the war, tblue37 Jul 2016 #106
And eventually they still have to withdraw malaise Jul 2016 #108
Recent bestseller "The Sympathizer" explains this very well. Basic LA Jul 2016 #17
Thanks Basic LA malaise Jul 2016 #19
NBA troops came South and took over. AngryAmish Jul 2016 #22
NBA? pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #24
Damn autocorrect.... AngryAmish Jul 2016 #26
ROTFLMAO. Were General Giap the coach, I have little doubt they would KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #29
He'd have them dribbling across the DMZ and all the way downtown to Saigon pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #37
Well to be fair, we were in the Final Four pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #45
Vietnam... you mean the war that LBJ lied the country into with his Gulf of Tonkin bullshit? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #23
Same one malaise Jul 2016 #25
LBJ's name should forever be tied to The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which was later repealed. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #65
I know more than a few persons who were victims malaise Jul 2016 #91
Lt. Col. Peter Dewey, a U.S. Army killed in Vietnam Sept. 25, 1945. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #126
Um... Johnson didn't START it, but he never passed up an opportunity to make a buck. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #130
Seems to me that it's a tourist destination now and they sell The_Casual_Observer Jul 2016 #28
I made 3 month-long trips there in the '90s pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #32
I have some Vietnamese students this term and last and I must say they are the KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #33
hold on a sec- You teach people? snooper2 Jul 2016 #34
Home court advantage, just like the NBA. :) ... pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #35
LOL. Now THAT is funny! :) - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #36
That's actually common banter among vets. :) pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #38
Thanks to everyone contributing with comments. GOLGO 13 Jul 2016 #39
Hi there malaise Jul 2016 #40
Some didn't run pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #41
I know bro malaise Jul 2016 #42
It never goes away--on our side or on theirs pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #43
My world - Imagine malaise Jul 2016 #44
The NVA soldier who shot me was killed by my men pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #46
It's called survival in a war theater malaise Jul 2016 #48
In war, killing the enemy not only means your survival pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #49
Precisely malaise Jul 2016 #58
You might enjoy a poem by Thomas Hardy called "The Man He Killed": KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #51
That's a good one pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #57
Wow, thats a hell of a story. I hope you are writing about it KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #59
I was trained in journalism but I never wanted to write an autobiography pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #61
I will check them out post haste. I still shudder when I consider KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #73
<3 mahina Jul 2016 #78
<3 back pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #81
Yep mahina Jul 2016 #87
Bookmarked malaise Jul 2016 #102
I just read it.. Stunning.. pangaia Jul 2016 #105
What a powerful moment to have experienced. GOLGO 13 Jul 2016 #79
I had other powerful experiences there, but this one was at the top pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #86
In tears reading you on this thread. Can't write more. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #107
Our tears open hearts and bring us together pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #111
+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #145
Actually you have me in tears malaise Jul 2016 #97
It was a profound experience--both the war and the aftermath pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #114
watched the medal of honor ceremony this morning malaise Jul 2016 #115
A roommate from training was MoH posthumous pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #116
R.I.P. Steve malaise Jul 2016 #117
We all experience losses in life pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #119
I agree malaise Jul 2016 #120
I learned only many years later that my first radioman killed himself in traffic pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #123
The men with whom I served in Vietnam didn't earn the Medal of Honor pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #125
Wow malaise Jul 2016 #133
It was even worse for the montenegrins Bernielover357743 Jul 2016 #66
Technical Note: I think you mean the "Montagnards" (French word for KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #72
You mean it's safe to say they weren't with the NBA? pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #80
LOL. I think they were with the ABA :) - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #96
Yes malaise Jul 2016 #70
my world..... Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #68
Nice malaise Jul 2016 #104
As do I know one. pangaia Jul 2016 #103
what a waste of life onethatcares Jul 2016 #47
It always turns out to be a waste of lives malaise Jul 2016 #50
What is "it"? And would "it" include defeating Nazism? WinkyDink Jul 2016 #113
Self-serving interventionism, of course. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #132
Ironically, Viet Nam explains a lot of problems in France today. Trust Buster Jul 2016 #54
Technical Note: the Brits get top billing in Iraq, up until 1945. Sykes-Picot (1922) KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #74
Yes, it's interesting. I've been researching Vietnam Bradical79 Jul 2016 #85
Even though it was before Vietnam 1939 Jul 2016 #89
The Vietnamese were free to determine their own future, free of colonial domination. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #55
Hundreds of thousands died either in reeducation camps or fleeing Vietnam. NuclearDem Jul 2016 #60
put down the Conservapedia, and call us when you get back from Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #69
It all happened. NuclearDem Jul 2016 #82
We had no business being there in the first place. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #88
No. "It" didn't. People like you are the principal reason I swing KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #93
Instead of learning any good lessons, we kept one of the worst - politicians deciding wars and not Rex Jul 2016 #76
Not sure I follow. Could you please elaborate? - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #92
The many people who helped us were imprisoned under horrendous circumstances, or killed. mahina Jul 2016 #77
One person's 'help' is another person's 'collaborate.' - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #95
Seems so. They were my father's friends and family when he was a Ranger with the Jarais. mahina Jul 2016 #98
I hear you, sister pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #109
A young visiting Vietnamese priest celebrated mass at my parish yesterday. phasma ex machina Jul 2016 #128
O'Brien's 'The Things They Carried' was by far the best novel about the war pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #131
I had no idea. mahina Jul 2016 #153
Point being? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #110
Believe it or not, the phenomenon did not begin with Vietnam. After World War II, KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #122
Irrelevant. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #134
Meta-relevant actually. Had the French not brutally colonized Vietnam for KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #146
Ethics. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #147
History. KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #148
On the contrary, I do. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #150
Just as I know that turning to Kant for ethical instruction is ill-advised, if KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #151
I am not ignoring the distinction at all. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #152
They had a war with the Khmer Rouge, and then China muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #90
There are many possible answers to your question depending on which facet you concentrate stevenleser Jul 2016 #94
they eventually started making our sneakers for 50 cents a a day? yurbud Jul 2016 #99
Read KILL ANYTHING THAT MOVES by Jeremy Scahill and only the Khmer Rouge will sound worse than our yurbud Jul 2016 #100
human rights and the lives of innocents are at best excuses for our foreign policy yurbud Jul 2016 #101
"ran"?????? How about "finally left, in whatever way we could, form this illegal & undeclared war"? WinkyDink Jul 2016 #112
I have a very good anti-war friend who served with CIA there in the early years pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #118
We didn't run, they beat us they won their country back. n/t sylvanus Jul 2016 #121
They didn't beat the U.S.forces militarily pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #124
Sorry, You won the battles, and lost the war. They got their country unified. sylvanus Jul 2016 #135
Your post presupposes that Westmoreland's strategy of attrition might have KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #136
You appear to confuse the North's fanaticism with the nationalism of the VietNamese Albertoo Jul 2016 #138
Do you have the slightest idea what happened during Tet '68? - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #139
Yes. Terrorism by North VN commandos aided by their very few supporters in the South Albertoo Jul 2016 #142
OMG! "Terrorism"??? Really???? Have you no sense of KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #144
Running away is easier than to show that North VietNam was not a fanatical dictatorship Albertoo Jul 2016 #155
After the North imposed its totalitarianism, the country became an economic backwater Albertoo Jul 2016 #127
Not to mention that many people were released after re-ed camp pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #129
Precisely malaise Jul 2016 #140
Wow. So cool. Released? Why had they been in reeducation in the first place? Albertoo Jul 2016 #143
So you agree with Reagan that Vietnam was a "noble cause," do you? Ever KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #137
I simply note that the South VietNamese did not want Communism Albertoo Jul 2016 #141
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