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23. If there's one universal truth of the last century, it's that Turkish generals do their own thing

Reply to alcibiades_mystery (Original post)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 06:47 PM

Jul 2016

They are a proud and independent group. Sometimes Turkish generals take orders from their government when they feel it is in their nation's best interest to do so.

Sometimes Turkish generals give their government orders when they feel it is in their nation's best interest to do so.

Turkish generals do not EVER take orders or even polite suggestions from non-Turks.

If God showed up, they wouldn't shoot him, but they wouldn't take orders from him. They can't - in their own minds they are still bound to follow Ataturk's orders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk

Really, your suggestion is the one thing that DIDN'T happen.

There was an incident some years ago. A Saudi princeling showed up for a state visit, and at the end his retinue tried to give their Turkish military escorts wads of money. To a man, they all refused. They were truly offended and outraged.

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So the French and Americans greenlit this Turkish coup, right? [View all] alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 OP

I doubt they checked with us first sabbat hunter Jul 2016 #1

Erdogan is on vacation outside of Turkey. ananda Jul 2016 #6

What kind of leader vacations outside his own country? KamaAina Jul 2016 #30

He is now seeking asylum in Germany. nt tblue37 Jul 2016 #37

Exactly. still_one Jul 2016 #31

Just listening to the coverage I would say malaise Jul 2016 #2

I was curious about Kerry's visit to Moscow C_U_L8R Jul 2016 #3

he'll say he KNEW this was going to happend, and, depenging on Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #13

Not another "The US is behind everything in the world" post. FLPanhandle Jul 2016 #4

God knows. We're actually a little busy at the moment. nolabear Jul 2016 #7

Busy trying to deal with the actors across the border being coddled by deposed Turkish leader? alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #32

We run the world. Igel Jul 2016 #50

You're way too smart for me alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #59

I think the good people of evil America are Hortensis Jul 2016 #38

Yeah. That. And as evidence-free as it is calorie-free! randome Jul 2016 #8

Yes, obviously this is speculation alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #10

To be fair, I mentioned the French, too! alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #11

It was still a very western ego-centric post FLPanhandle Jul 2016 #33

Can one agree that everyone acts according to their own interests alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #34

I'll agree with that. Also, anyone can just google Turkey and Hortensis Jul 2016 #43

Listen, my point here is simple alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #45

Okay. Sure. Sorry I assumed you were one of those Hortensis Jul 2016 #49

thank you. my son is a conspiracy nut and man the okieinpain Jul 2016 #17

Par for the course around here... Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #39

Doubt it rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #5

you mean like Libya? that worked out so well Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #15

take your pick of the pro and con discussions: Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #16

We didn't directly engineer a coup there rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #22

Turkey has gotten too Islamist. joshcryer Jul 2016 #9

Turkey is a member of NATO, greenlighting a coup by a NATO military geek tragedy Jul 2016 #12

I agree SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #14

Illegal under what law? dumbcat Jul 2016 #20

Section 508 of the Foreign Assistance Act is a good start. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #21

Sure it would be illegal alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #28

When I walk down the hall my coffee sloshes out of the cup. Igel Jul 2016 #55

Officially, yes, illegal Red Mountain Jul 2016 #51

It would have been known to highly placed officials that it was going to occur. closeupready Jul 2016 #18

Not likely pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #19

Maybe moving from a non-interest stability to an interest stability, though. alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #27

No it isn't. Turkey is known for such coups and it has nothing to do with the US, but still_one Jul 2016 #35

If there's one universal truth of the last century, it's that Turkish generals do their own thing Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #23

Let's see how fast the US recognizes the new government flamingdem Jul 2016 #24

Let's see how fast France declares a state of war against the caliphate and Turkey fulfills alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #29

Erdogan has been shielding ISIS and slowly ending freedoms in Turkey ericson00 Jul 2016 #25

The US was not involved in this. Coups are not unusual in Turkey still_one Jul 2016 #36

that's true as well; Turkey's been having anti-Islamist coups for a while ericson00 Jul 2016 #40

The army has always leaned toward a secular position still_one Jul 2016 #48

How is it flame bait? I'll certainly cop to speculative alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #41

Because you are making an assumed accusation without anything to substantiate it. No hostility still_one Jul 2016 #53

Good lord, it's a message board! alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #57

I believe the president still_one Jul 2016 #60

Good on ya alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #61

ok still_one Jul 2016 #62

there is a "creative speculation" forum for stuff like this uhnope Jul 2016 #64

Whatevs alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #65

I doubt the US would support or strongly oppose it. David__77 Jul 2016 #26

I wish there was no fucking speculation without fucking facts. It should dry up. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #42

In case you haven't been keeping up with current events Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #44

Don't be nasty alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #46

OK, confess - was this thread meant seriously, or taking the piss out of conspiracy theorists? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #52

7 dimensional chess bighart Jul 2016 #47

No, 11 dimensions. Igel Jul 2016 #56

It's going much too smoothly for us to be involved. bluedigger Jul 2016 #54

ROFl alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #58

This post is a joke, right? TeddyR Jul 2016 #63

I'm calling Poe's law on this post. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #66