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14. Motives unclear

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:47 AM

Jul 2016

16 Jul 2016 at 15:53

... At an apartment bloc in the Quartier des Abattoirs, on the outskirts of Nice, neighbours described the father of three as a volatile man, prone to drinking and womanising, and in the process of divorcing his wife.

His father said Lahouaiej-Bouhlel had violent episodes during which "he broke everything he found around him".

"Each time he had a crisis, we took him to the doctor who gave him medication,'' Mohamed Mondher Lahouaiej Bouhlel told BFM television ...

"What I know is that he didn't pray, he didn't go to the mosque, he had no ties to religion,'' said the father, noting that Lahouaiej-Bouhlel did not respect the Islamic fasting rituals during the month of Ramadan ...

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1037217/nice-killers-motive-a-mystery

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Maajid Nawaz: "Please stop saying the Nice attacks have nothing to do with Islam." [View all] Ex Lurker Jul 2016 OP

Yup. Kick and Rec eom Arazi Jul 2016 #1

Not much in the way of comments Ex Lurker Jul 2016 #2

Most don't like the message and especially don't like it coming from that messenger. Statistical Jul 2016 #4

Yup. Like the liberal criminologists who don't sign off on "gun control". pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #12

.+1 840high Jul 2016 #49

It's not just done with Muslims, look at 'our' shooters and how we wash our hands clean of them ck4829 Jul 2016 #3

Did Dylan Roof's religion promise him a reward TexasMommaWithAHat Jul 2016 #13

So what do you suggest ? treestar Jul 2016 #23

Christians and Muslims believe in heaven/paradise TexasMommaWithAHat Jul 2016 #24

"every male admitted into Paradise will be given eternal 6chars Jul 2016 #28

Hehe TexasMommaWithAHat Jul 2016 #51

Hey, if you are going to promise that - - then you need to add more to it. Jim Beard Jul 2016 #52

And that is what makes it so dangerous Ruby the Liberal Jul 2016 #25

Um, how do we 'wash our hands of them'? whathehell Jul 2016 #76

Confused yet? You should be. underahedgerow Jul 2016 #5

So says you Cartoonist Jul 2016 #7

In what way? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #8

Original writer writes thoughtful paragraphs and all you post is a one line slam. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #61

is there a thoughtful rebuttal there somewhere? MariaThinks Jul 2016 #66

Doesn't the KKK zentrum Jul 2016 #6

Best comment yet. colorado_ufo Jul 2016 #10

Problem with that is that virtually all religious people ignore that which they do not wish Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #21

+1000 treestar Jul 2016 #19

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #33

And as an LGBT person I think the homophobic King_David Jul 2016 #77

The Self-Invention of Maajid Nawaz struggle4progress Jul 2016 #9

What Does Maajid Nawaz Really Believe? struggle4progress Jul 2016 #11

Motives unclear struggle4progress Jul 2016 #14

People jump on his Muslim-ness treestar Jul 2016 #18

The French govt is now saying Bouhlel was radicalized by ISIS' version of Islam Arazi Jul 2016 #38

... He "had not been known to the intelligence services because he did not stand out ... struggle4progress Jul 2016 #69

So far there has been no evidence found by French authorities that this had anything to do... StraightRazor Jul 2016 #15

He apparently invoked a common Islamic phrase 6chars Jul 2016 #16

Well, that certainly settles it then... StraightRazor Jul 2016 #20

good save 6chars Jul 2016 #22

Right melman Jul 2016 #41

Maybe he was just a self loathing Gay male ? King_David Jul 2016 #78

well, this is the Daily Mail. kwassa Jul 2016 #54

quite a few other papers have it 6chars Jul 2016 #62

If he actually said it ... kwassa Jul 2016 #80

it wouldn't be unheard of. 6chars Jul 2016 #81

geez that is written in a condescending way treestar Jul 2016 #17

Great point! Argument by anger is hardly persuasive. Akamai Jul 2016 #27

After 911 we did exactly what bin Laden wanted treestar Jul 2016 #31

Absolutely agree with you and the military here know it as do Akamai Jul 2016 #32

there is a lot of that going around lately Skittles Jul 2016 #34

It has everything to do with fundamentalism and nothing to do with Islam. wildeyed Jul 2016 #26

Thank god there are enlightened western liberals like yourself, to explain Marr Jul 2016 #48

What I am saying is that religion has little effect on people's actions. wildeyed Jul 2016 #56

Religion has little effect on people's actions? progressoid Jul 2016 #71

Like this? wildeyed Jul 2016 #79

That seems like plain old hypocrisy. progressoid Jul 2016 #82

I never said religion was innocuous. wildeyed Jul 2016 #83

Viscious lunatics will always find an excuse, religion being their favorite. lindysalsagal Jul 2016 #29

Sorry, you are wrong. GoneOffShore Jul 2016 #45

They all would have found an excuse, regardless of the choices. lindysalsagal Jul 2016 #53

They find what they're looking for in the book. GoneOffShore Jul 2016 #55

ive read some of those books beergood Jul 2016 #84

When my schizophrenic sister was off her meds she showed up at a Catholic elementary school blm Jul 2016 #30

but she did get her beliefs from Catholocism Schema Thing Jul 2016 #36

Not really - what she believed is that she was making my RW Catholic fundie mother proud of her by blm Jul 2016 #37

You're saying she didn't believe the things she was saying? Schema Thing Jul 2016 #42

Part of her did, but, she also believed aliens landed and invaded Cleveland, and that she blm Jul 2016 #43

I haven't seen research on this... Schema Thing Jul 2016 #46

Please....Atheist schizophrenics may change their cast of characters whathehell Jul 2016 #75

Excellent article, thanks. Maajid Nawaz is one hope of an evolution of Islam Albertoo Jul 2016 #35

I'm not sure Maajid Nawaz's methods persuade any Muslims to be less violent -- Persuasion by yelling Akamai Jul 2016 #63

Game theory only works with collaborative players Albertoo Jul 2016 #68

I think that oftentimes a holy book is more revered in memory than in practice. Akamai Jul 2016 #70

KIck and rec Arazi Jul 2016 #39

Kick sarcasmo Jul 2016 #40

some people refuse to accept that believing in God doesn't make someone a good person JI7 Jul 2016 #44

A hell of a lot of people think that not believing in god makes you bad, worse than believing in a Akamai Jul 2016 #64

Well said. /nt Marr Jul 2016 #47

I will go one further, fundamentalism is the root cause of our problems. Rex Jul 2016 #50

Agreed. Fundamentalist zealots of any and all stripes... 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #57

They all have the same final solution. We all die and they live in their twisted utopia. Rex Jul 2016 #58

If it is not mental illness it is just pure evil. nt 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #59

Well in a time of such logic and reasoning, I guess it is too much to wonder why Rex Jul 2016 #60

yup... progressoid Jul 2016 #72

At last someone who is speaking the truth and not afraid of it. MariaThinks Jul 2016 #65

As FAIR zentrum Jul 2016 #67

Oh, okay, will do - will take advice from someone I've never heard of before, closeupready Jul 2016 #73

Whether or not these acts of violence are related to Islamic extremists, King_Klonopin Jul 2016 #74