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In reply to the discussion: "For the life of me, I can't figure out why in USA Police officers go immediately to murder &....." [View all]Saviolo
(3,321 posts)17. Regardless what the rules of engagement are
In the military, you follow those rules of engagement, though.
As you said:
In other words, there was no one set of rules of engagement. They varied by place; they varied over time.
The difficulty in the USA right now is that the situation is unclear and nebulous. There is a theoretical set of rules of engagement between police and citizens, but how do we know when they're being broken? To my (admittedly untrained) eye, it would seem that the shooting of Tamir Rice, the officers over-reacted, made no effort to de-escalate, and shot the boy within 2 seconds of arrival. Neither of the officers involved in that incident were indicted, so it would seem that gunning down a 12-year-old without any attempt at de-escalation, or determining whether the gun is real, prior to firing is within those rules of engagement.
There are plenty of other examples, we even have a few here in Toronto. Sammy Yatim, Andrew Loku, Jermaine Carby. And for each of these shootings, yes, there are dozens of police interactions that go smoothly. The trouble is not that -all- cops are bad or trigger happy, the trouble is that -any- cop -could- be, and there' no way for someone to know in advance if this officer is nervous, or afraid of POC, or like the officer that shot Tamir Rice, that the force:
[the officer] was unable to follow "basic functions as instructed". [The police chief] specifically cited a "dangerous loss of composure" that occurred in a weapons training exercise, during which Loehmann's weapons handling was "dismal" and he became visibly "distracted and weepy" as a result of relationship problems. The memo concluded, "Individually, these events would not be considered major situations, but when taken together they show a pattern of a lack of maturity, indiscretion and not following instructions
If we're going to encourage the militarization of the police in North America, then it will become necessary to also have a military level of discipline and obedience to strict orders. If the citizens don't know the rules by which LEOs are operating, then there will be no way for people (and at a higher rate POC) to know what to do. If Philando Castile can comply with the officers involved and still be shot while following their orders, there's a missing link between what the rules of engagement are, and what we're being told they are in the streets.
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"For the life of me, I can't figure out why in USA Police officers go immediately to murder &....." [View all]
kpete
Jul 2016
OP
Because the U.S. Military doesn't have a powerful Union like the Police Depts. do. That's why.
BlueCaliDem
Jul 2016
#1
Police Unions are enablers of these extrajudicial executions. They are a powerful lobbying group
BlueCaliDem
Jul 2016
#9
There is an article on Alternet about the seminars that cops attend that teachs them to
Hestia
Jul 2016
#20
Thank you, Hestia. What a frightening read! But it's a GOOD read, and I appreciate the link. eom
BlueCaliDem
Jul 2016
#26
Unions no... police unions no doubt... it was police union who told Wilson NOT TO write incident
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#11
Yes, it was. This is outrageous! So cops are above and beyond the law, higher than a civilian, and
BlueCaliDem
Jul 2016
#27
False dichotomy, Dems can be constructive towards progressive change and not bash unions
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#57
We've got to stop being against unions, Cali, if we are going to be the party of the
PatrickforO
Jul 2016
#22
We have to discern which unions work in the best interest of all people, not just a select few.
BlueCaliDem
Jul 2016
#25
The point of a union, ANY union, is to see to the best interests of its members.
X_Digger
Jul 2016
#63
There number one rule now is do whatever it takes to make it home at the end of the shift.
Dustlawyer
Jul 2016
#2
The 2013 NDAA legally defining the US as "Battleground" makes all this more than military analogy.
ancianita
Jul 2016
#13
I have heard the claim that many police departments have been infiltrated by white supremacists.
TryLogic
Jul 2016
#10
Recently a soldier saw a Ferguson cop and said they had more gear than we allowed in Falujiah....
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2016
#15
It is easy to make typos, especially with adult fingers using tiny keyboards on mobile devices.
tblue37
Jul 2016
#55
Oh, and why is the guy "dumb" for thinking cops should not escalate so rapidly to lethal force? nt
tblue37
Jul 2016
#56