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74. To the RW, the US is reflexively always right, even when it's wrong (Iraq)

Reply to Doctor_J (Reply #41)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:06 PM

Jul 2016

Is it an excuse for some activists to apparently always find fault with the US first?

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The excuse making for ISIS here is insane [View all] ButterflyBlood Jul 2016 OP

Did ISIS exist, even in an unorganized way, during the reign of Sadam Hussein? no_hypocrisy Jul 2016 #1

Irrelevant. You have no idea what the world would have been like if Hussein retained power. randome Jul 2016 #3

It's hardly irrelevant puffy socks Jul 2016 #31

What is relevant is the MONEY ISIS gets. Would this money still be forthcoming to terrorists KittyWampus Jul 2016 #98

Actually yes they did ButterflyBlood Jul 2016 #4

so you disagree with all of the democrats and Middle East experts who say that bush's disaster Doctor_J Jul 2016 #16

The poster did nothing wrong whatsoever... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #36

The poster's OP was titled "The excuse making for ISIS here is insane" Doctor_J Jul 2016 #40

Yes but that's not what you responded to, is it. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #48

That didn't seem to me to be the point of the OP. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #5

I know my question is tangental at best, but I am curious about the current no_hypocrisy Jul 2016 #6

The core of Daesh are the same people who ran "Iraq" under Saddam. AngryAmish Jul 2016 #26

Irrelevant. Experts on islamism agree: the longer the tyrant, the worse the islamism later Albertoo Jul 2016 #27

If the US would have left Sadam alone he would have dealt with the radicals in his area. Rex Jul 2016 #59

A not very clever hypothetical. Answer this instead- Would the Saudi's & other ME states have KittyWampus Jul 2016 #97

insane indeed pintobean Jul 2016 #2

wow, you have it figured out...in three paragraphs Demonaut Jul 2016 #7

I don't think it's excuse making per se. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #8

^^ ++ ^^ the usual fear of even a hint of agreement with the other side Albertoo Jul 2016 #28

McVeigh was the gift that keeps on giving. Throd Jul 2016 #77

DU doesn't do nuance. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #9

It's not a function of nuance or lack thereof, it's about not putting human beings first. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #12

If a person mistreats people based on immutable characteristics that person is trash. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #13

who do you think supplies the officer corps of ISIS? Hint: it isnt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #10

Enlighten us: who empowers ISIS? (other than Saudi Arabia and Turkey?) Albertoo Jul 2016 #29

Here's what captured ISIS fighters say..... sinkingfeeling Jul 2016 #11

Good article. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #18

Radical Islam (wahhabism) was invented before the US ever set foot in the region Albertoo Jul 2016 #30

It's still illogical, harmful and amoral to invade and destroy other countries ronnie624 Jul 2016 #42

GW is a cretin (and possibly a war criminal) Albertoo Jul 2016 #45

The US was a brutal empire long before GW. n/t ronnie624 Jul 2016 #47

Islam has been brutal many centuries before the US came into existence. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #56

underlying assumption: ronnie624 Jul 2016 #66

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recommended nt G_j Jul 2016 #68

+1,000,000 n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #14

I can't believe how many duers sound like the freepers did 14 years ago Doctor_J Jul 2016 #15

It's different awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #38

When did my OP mention sending an outside military force? ButterflyBlood Jul 2016 #52

It didn't awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #62

The blame America / the West MicaelS Jul 2016 #17

Because invading and destroying other countries is no biggie? n/t ronnie624 Jul 2016 #21

Like Muslim invaders of the Middle East Christian nations in the 7th century? Albertoo Jul 2016 #32

Absolutely irrelevant in the current context of US imperialism. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #39

Because you choose to disregard the "violent Muslim policies of resource dominance in the ME" Albertoo Jul 2016 #43

There's nothing I can do about past history. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #49

Not only. We're responsible for standing up against both mad GWs and mad religions Albertoo Jul 2016 #50

We've spent half a century fighting secular arab countries killbotfactory Jul 2016 #57

Those 'secular' Arab countries were dictatorships fostering islamism Albertoo Jul 2016 #71

The abuse woman and gays get in the countries you support would curl yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #83

You sound like Fox News and Hate Radio Doctor_J Jul 2016 #41

To the RW, the US is reflexively always right, even when it's wrong (Iraq) Albertoo Jul 2016 #74

The damage done by US militarism in the ME is incalculable. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #85

I myself wrote many times what GW did was both a mistake and a crime Albertoo Jul 2016 #89

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You forgot slavery and genicide and apocalypse-worship Nevernose Jul 2016 #19

Also, don't forget that ISIS is primarily a criminal organization... much of the other stuff is JCMach1 Jul 2016 #20

No. ISIS is a literalist Muslim organization. Albertoo Jul 2016 #33

They are all about the money... the rest is largely window-dressing for PR JCMach1 Jul 2016 #81

You are confusing ends and means Albertoo Jul 2016 #87

And that's what they want you to believe... if we take an approach to stop 'that' JCMach1 Jul 2016 #93

Yours is a conspiracy theory. It doesn't fit the facts. Albertoo Jul 2016 #94

they're the enemy or our enemy (Christians&GOP) thus our friend. ileus Jul 2016 #22

A refreshingly sane point of view Albertoo Jul 2016 #34

They also like to rage against Christians Democat Jul 2016 #23

Excellent. bdwker Jul 2016 #24

Straw man, where is that? treestar Jul 2016 #25

I recced this BUT I think you mischaracterize some of the arguments MH1 Jul 2016 #35

France seems to be on the short end of the stick IronLionZion Jul 2016 #37

Wow, you don't know much about Iraq, do you? MohRokTah Jul 2016 #44

BTW, can you point me to some posts that "excuse ISIS"? Doctor_J Jul 2016 #46

If you don't think ISIS arose simply because Islam is a toxic religion, you are an ISIS apologist. killbotfactory Jul 2016 #53

Here ButterflyBlood Jul 2016 #55

Oh, so it's a big straw man argument? Bradical79 Jul 2016 #61

It is not making excuses for ISIS to question our treestar Jul 2016 #63

Here they are referred to as a "resistance movement." egduj Jul 2016 #82

You are wrong AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #51

Actually no ISIS predates the Iraq War ButterflyBlood Jul 2016 #54

Isis formed in the aftermath of the invasion AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #58

We essentially wiped out the future of an entire generation of young men killbotfactory Jul 2016 #64

Apparently, that's all just a coincidence. N/T Chathamization Jul 2016 #65

Yep, we radicalized a generation AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #67

Everyone knows ISIS is bad, but do we bomb innocent people to stop ISIS, or do Hoyt Jul 2016 #60

Bomb ISIS or not, you'll still be their enemy Albertoo Jul 2016 #73

Not sure which is worse, some ISIS guy beheading a few people, or our bombs beheading a lot. Hoyt Jul 2016 #80

So you think ISIS has only beheaded 'a few' people? Albertoo Jul 2016 #86

You'll never get it. Good luck. Hoyt Jul 2016 #90

I simply disagree with you. Good luck to you too. Albertoo Jul 2016 #91

Do you have some examples of such "excuse making"? Martin Eden Jul 2016 #72

I haven't seen it. Squinch Jul 2016 #75

Christians have killed far more ... GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #76

Have they? Throd Jul 2016 #78

I haven't seen any beheadings lately 840high Jul 2016 #79

The cultural left has enthusiastically appropriated the idea of "original sin" Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2016 #84

Seth Rogen movies, the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue, and internet porn are responsible for ISIS Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #88

Yes. An analyst called the "original sin" a symptom of "ghost Christianity" Albertoo Jul 2016 #92

I think that is found in the "SJW" phenomenon and radical environmentalism Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2016 #95

You hit the nail on the head: what will humans replace religion and revolution with? Albertoo Jul 2016 #96