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NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
70. "Educate urself"
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:22 PM
Jul 2016

"urself"

Uh huh.

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2016/04/26/after-years-of-denying-the-armenian-genocide-cenk-uyguar-now-admits-he-doesnt-know-enough-about-it-to-say-anything/

Every open-minded person who has looked at the evidence agrees that this genocide happened—except for Turks. (To start reading about the evidence, go here, here, here, here, here, or look at the references in the Wikipedia article.) The notion that their country could commit such unspeakable crimes is completely unpalatable to them, and many (but not all!) Turks simply deny that the genocide happened. I’ve encountered this denial several times when visiting Turkey, and believe me, you don’t want to talk about the issue if you don’t know whom you’re talking to. The attitude of many Turks is the equivalent of those who deny the Nazi Holocaust despite insuperable evidence.

Curiously, one of the Armenian Genocide deniers has been Cenk Uygur. It may be relevant that he was born in Turkey, though his family moved to America when he was young. In 1991, while at the University of Pennsylvania, Uygur wrote an article for The Daily Pennsylvanian (the student newspaper) called “Historical Fact or Falsehood“, which is straight-out genocide denialism, imputing false claims of genocide to Armenian demands for land and money. An excerpt:

Hence, once you really examine the history of the time it becomes apparent that the allegations of an Armenian Genocide are unfounded. So the question arises of why the Armenians would bother to conjure up such stories, and even go as far as, committing approximately 200 acts of terrorism since 1973 to further their cause, resulting in countless deaths and injuries to government officials and civilians. The answer is that they want their demands met. Their demands are that they receive close to one-half of the land of the Republic of Turkey for a new Greater Armenia, and that every Armenian claiming to be injured by the alleged genocide be compensated with cash reparations. That is why every year they push the U.S. Congress to pass a bill declaring the Armenian Genocide a historical fact. Fortunately, every year it is defeated because of the courage of people such as the 69 professors who wrote in to explain the truth of the matter.

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One might think that, after 25 years, it was finally time for Uygur to admit the existence of that genocide. Did he do that? Not that I can see. All he says is that he’s a “very different person,” doesn’t stand by his denialism of the past, and henceforth is going to shut up about the issue. After all, he was not a “scholar of history”. (If he used that excuse all the time, he couldn’t say anything about history.)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks

The struggle between the two groups of Young Turks ended in January 1913, when the top leadership of the CUP seized personal power from Freedom and Accord in the Raid on the Sublime Porte. The subsequent CUP-led government was headed by interior minister and Grand Vizier Talaat Pasha. Working with him were war minister Enver Pasha and naval minister Djemal Pasha. These "Three Pashas", as they came to be known, exercised absolute control over the Ottoman Empire from 1913 to 1918, bringing the country closer to Germany, signing the Ottoman–German Alliance to enter the Empire into World War I on the side of the Central Powers,[6][7][8] and carrying out the Armenian Genocide.[9] Following the war, the struggle between the two groups of Young Turks revived, Freedom and Accord Party regaining the control of the Ottoman government and Three Pashas fleeing into exile. Freedom and Accord rule was short lived, however, and the empire soon collapsed.


He's an asshat who went from outright denying the genocide and accusing the Armenians of faking it, to simply going with the "I'm not a scientist/historian/lawyer" copout to still deny that it happened in the face of overwhelming evidence that it did.

When you have that kind of history with Armenian Genocide denial, it's really hard to say you named your show after a reform movement, rather than the people who carried out one of the worst ethnic cleanings of the 20th century.

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Brian Williams just shocked me. [View all] Buzz cook Jul 2016 OP
This has been going on for what, two plus hours? Hortensis Jul 2016 #1
They fired all their translators so they could give that money to the investors. Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #2
Ya, but a translator is just a phone call away and Buzz cook Jul 2016 #4
Short cab ride? More like a short cab DRIVE. XemaSab Jul 2016 #6
Can they just trust any translator on short notice? Shankapotomus Jul 2016 #17
Smart operations plan ahead. But if you are just a conveyor belt for political talking points, ... Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #22
Nicely put. SheilaT Jul 2016 #51
Or how about having some multilingual reporters in general? forgotmylogin Jul 2016 #61
Likewise a good idea. SheilaT Jul 2016 #64
No, but they should have a vetted list jumptheshadow Jul 2016 #27
The right Rolodex is all anyone needs. NBC has no contacts I guess. TeamPooka Jul 2016 #41
He can't translate what is happening in the videos. upaloopa Jul 2016 #3
Well, he needed... Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #5
Probably not so much the fault of the American media as it is a reflection of Brian Williams. procon Jul 2016 #7
There's gotta be someone in the studio with a clue. Buzz cook Jul 2016 #9
They had someone on a feed from Turkey for a while, but ost the feed. napi21 Jul 2016 #18
I can't believe anyone expects much at all from MSM "News" newthinking Jul 2016 #32
True investigative reporting has been gone for a long time. napi21 Jul 2016 #49
Corporate fuckheads Warpy Jul 2016 #8
Damn, they could have probably run down to their local CVS dhol82 Jul 2016 #10
Right, or any hospital in town Warpy Jul 2016 #14
They could do what we do, call a University language department. NY may have a few of those Dustlawyer Jul 2016 #60
Bingo... IthinkThereforeIAM Jul 2016 #67
Cut him some slack. madamesilverspurs Jul 2016 #11
You win the thread malaise Jul 2016 #19
Journalists ThoughtCriminal Jul 2016 #12
That blew me away, too. What a two-bit, one-horse operation. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #13
He and a guest were saying what a HUGE surprise this Ilsa Jul 2016 #15
Add to that that their newsroom went down. El Supremo Jul 2016 #16
So the viewers are, basically, watching some guy who doesn't know any more than they do, jtuck004 Jul 2016 #20
+1 Different Drummer Jul 2016 #21
In telecommunications where I worked for 30 years... asiliveandbreathe Jul 2016 #23
Really nothing more to say. yardwork Jul 2016 #24
Sad trof Jul 2016 #25
There are lots of Turks in NYC Renew Deal Jul 2016 #26
Not really hard to understand... ReRe Jul 2016 #28
NYC is the home of the United Nations, FFS. Straw Man Jul 2016 #29
The Young Turks: LIVE Show 07.15.16 DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #30
They may not have all the resources but they have a far better understanding newthinking Jul 2016 #33
I Was Just Thinking of Cenk Leith Jul 2016 #34
Asshole who named his show after the people who carried out the Armenian Genocide. NuclearDem Jul 2016 #38
:( Do you want me to remove it DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #44
That wasn't directed at you. I apologize for making it seem that way. NuclearDem Jul 2016 #46
I have never really paid attention to him but I didn't know that. i just did a quick google and saw WhollyHeretic Jul 2016 #53
Yeah, basically. NuclearDem Jul 2016 #55
This won't change ur mind theaocp Jul 2016 #66
"Educate urself" NuclearDem Jul 2016 #70
It's kind of like not naming "radical Islamist jihadism" theaocp Jul 2016 #71
LOL. You should have been around when he got pissed off in an airport! Rex Jul 2016 #72
"some folks will always be anti-fanboys" NuclearDem Jul 2016 #73
As an aside, I heard Williams describe the truck used in the attack as lapucelle Jul 2016 #31
Online news might be better than cable tv in this situation IronLionZion Jul 2016 #35
Maybe BriWi shadowmayor Jul 2016 #36
Reminds me when CNN laid off their science reporter miyazaki Jul 2016 #37
You'll never be shocked if you underestimate old media. n/t TonyPDX Jul 2016 #39
The UN is few blocks away Yavin4 Jul 2016 #40
He told the truth? awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #42
Brian Williams has pretty much shown himself to be nothing more than ToxMarz Jul 2016 #43
Brian Williams is worthless! MoonRiver Jul 2016 #45
Because trump............ MFM008 Jul 2016 #47
I understand your shock, but please think about how much worse it would be if Wisc Progressive Jul 2016 #48
I worked for an engineering company with clients all over HeiressofBickworth Jul 2016 #50
Luke Russert was their only Turkish translator. IADEMO2004 Jul 2016 #52
OK they have a translator now nt. Buzz cook Jul 2016 #54
I guess NBC isn't an international broadcaster after all. mwooldri Jul 2016 #56
You realize that MSNBC fires commentators all the time, The executives use them and rladdi Jul 2016 #57
More exposure to amuriKKKa's stupid Hulk Jul 2016 #58
Better than Fox news Politicub Jul 2016 #59
Call nearest court reporter, ask for translator refferal to translating firm The Second Stone Jul 2016 #62
Brian Williams is a fan of Rush Limbaugh..... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #63
I can't watch Brian Williams. bvar22 Jul 2016 #65
Understand what we've come to in this country ... Jopin Klobe Jul 2016 #68
He is a bloviator. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #69
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