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In reply to the discussion: Brian Williams just shocked me. [View all]NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)70. "Educate urself"
Every open-minded person who has looked at the evidence agrees that this genocide happenedexcept for Turks. (To start reading about the evidence, go here, here, here, here, here, or look at the references in the Wikipedia article.) The notion that their country could commit such unspeakable crimes is completely unpalatable to them, and many (but not all!) Turks simply deny that the genocide happened. Ive encountered this denial several times when visiting Turkey, and believe me, you dont want to talk about the issue if you dont know whom youre talking to. The attitude of many Turks is the equivalent of those who deny the Nazi Holocaust despite insuperable evidence.
Curiously, one of the Armenian Genocide deniers has been Cenk Uygur. It may be relevant that he was born in Turkey, though his family moved to America when he was young. In 1991, while at the University of Pennsylvania, Uygur wrote an article for The Daily Pennsylvanian (the student newspaper) called Historical Fact or Falsehood, which is straight-out genocide denialism, imputing false claims of genocide to Armenian demands for land and money. An excerpt:
Hence, once you really examine the history of the time it becomes apparent that the allegations of an Armenian Genocide are unfounded. So the question arises of why the Armenians would bother to conjure up such stories, and even go as far as, committing approximately 200 acts of terrorism since 1973 to further their cause, resulting in countless deaths and injuries to government officials and civilians. The answer is that they want their demands met. Their demands are that they receive close to one-half of the land of the Republic of Turkey for a new Greater Armenia, and that every Armenian claiming to be injured by the alleged genocide be compensated with cash reparations. That is why every year they push the U.S. Congress to pass a bill declaring the Armenian Genocide a historical fact. Fortunately, every year it is defeated because of the courage of people such as the 69 professors who wrote in to explain the truth of the matter.
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One might think that, after 25 years, it was finally time for Uygur to admit the existence of that genocide. Did he do that? Not that I can see. All he says is that hes a very different person, doesnt stand by his denialism of the past, and henceforth is going to shut up about the issue. After all, he was not a scholar of history. (If he used that excuse all the time, he couldnt say anything about history.)
Curiously, one of the Armenian Genocide deniers has been Cenk Uygur. It may be relevant that he was born in Turkey, though his family moved to America when he was young. In 1991, while at the University of Pennsylvania, Uygur wrote an article for The Daily Pennsylvanian (the student newspaper) called Historical Fact or Falsehood, which is straight-out genocide denialism, imputing false claims of genocide to Armenian demands for land and money. An excerpt:
Hence, once you really examine the history of the time it becomes apparent that the allegations of an Armenian Genocide are unfounded. So the question arises of why the Armenians would bother to conjure up such stories, and even go as far as, committing approximately 200 acts of terrorism since 1973 to further their cause, resulting in countless deaths and injuries to government officials and civilians. The answer is that they want their demands met. Their demands are that they receive close to one-half of the land of the Republic of Turkey for a new Greater Armenia, and that every Armenian claiming to be injured by the alleged genocide be compensated with cash reparations. That is why every year they push the U.S. Congress to pass a bill declaring the Armenian Genocide a historical fact. Fortunately, every year it is defeated because of the courage of people such as the 69 professors who wrote in to explain the truth of the matter.
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One might think that, after 25 years, it was finally time for Uygur to admit the existence of that genocide. Did he do that? Not that I can see. All he says is that hes a very different person, doesnt stand by his denialism of the past, and henceforth is going to shut up about the issue. After all, he was not a scholar of history. (If he used that excuse all the time, he couldnt say anything about history.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks
The struggle between the two groups of Young Turks ended in January 1913, when the top leadership of the CUP seized personal power from Freedom and Accord in the Raid on the Sublime Porte. The subsequent CUP-led government was headed by interior minister and Grand Vizier Talaat Pasha. Working with him were war minister Enver Pasha and naval minister Djemal Pasha. These "Three Pashas", as they came to be known, exercised absolute control over the Ottoman Empire from 1913 to 1918, bringing the country closer to Germany, signing the OttomanGerman Alliance to enter the Empire into World War I on the side of the Central Powers,[6][7][8] and carrying out the Armenian Genocide.[9] Following the war, the struggle between the two groups of Young Turks revived, Freedom and Accord Party regaining the control of the Ottoman government and Three Pashas fleeing into exile. Freedom and Accord rule was short lived, however, and the empire soon collapsed.
He's an asshat who went from outright denying the genocide and accusing the Armenians of faking it, to simply going with the "I'm not a scientist/historian/lawyer" copout to still deny that it happened in the face of overwhelming evidence that it did.
When you have that kind of history with Armenian Genocide denial, it's really hard to say you named your show after a reform movement, rather than the people who carried out one of the worst ethnic cleanings of the 20th century.
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They fired all their translators so they could give that money to the investors.
Binkie The Clown
Jul 2016
#2
Smart operations plan ahead. But if you are just a conveyor belt for political talking points, ...
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#22
Probably not so much the fault of the American media as it is a reflection of Brian Williams.
procon
Jul 2016
#7
They could do what we do, call a University language department. NY may have a few of those
Dustlawyer
Jul 2016
#60
So the viewers are, basically, watching some guy who doesn't know any more than they do,
jtuck004
Jul 2016
#20
They may not have all the resources but they have a far better understanding
newthinking
Jul 2016
#33
Asshole who named his show after the people who carried out the Armenian Genocide.
NuclearDem
Jul 2016
#38
I have never really paid attention to him but I didn't know that. i just did a quick google and saw
WhollyHeretic
Jul 2016
#53
I understand your shock, but please think about how much worse it would be if
Wisc Progressive
Jul 2016
#48
You realize that MSNBC fires commentators all the time, The executives use them and
rladdi
Jul 2016
#57
Call nearest court reporter, ask for translator refferal to translating firm
The Second Stone
Jul 2016
#62