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burfman

(264 posts)
48. The NY Times take on the release
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:11 AM
Jul 2016

What could possibly go wrong with having the Saudi's as our good buddies?


In 9/11 Document, View of a Saudi Effort to Thwart U.S. Action on Al Qaeda


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/us/28-pages-saudi-arabia-september-11.html


Some excerpts from the article:

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It details contacts between Saudi officials and some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, checks from Saudi royals to operatives in contact with the hijackers and the discovery of a telephone number in a Qaeda militant’s phone book that was traced to a corporation managing an Aspen, Colo., home of Prince Bandar bin Sultan, then the Saudi ambassador to Washington.

The document, 28 pages of a congressional inquiry into the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, is also an unflattering portrayal of the kingdom’s efforts to thwart American attempts to combat Al Qaeda in the years before the attacks.


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In particular, some investigators remain puzzled by the exact role played by Fahad al-Thumairy, a Saudi consular official based in the Los Angeles area at the time of the attacks. They believe that if there had been any Saudi government role in the plot, it probably would have involved him.

Mr. Thumairy was the imam of a mosque visited by two of the Sept. 11 hijackers, and some American government officials have long suspected that Mr. Thumairy assisted the two men — Nawaq Alhamzi and Khalid al-Midhar — after they arrived in Los Angeles in early 2000.

An F.B.I. document from 2012, cited last year by an independent review panel, concluded that Mr. Thumairy “immediately assigned an individual to take care of” of Mr. Alhamzi and Mr. Midhar “during their time in the Los Angeles area,” but the F.B.I. has been unable to piece together other details of the movement of the two men during their early days in the United States.

Two investigators for the Sept. 11 commission interviewed Mr. Thumairy for several hours in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, in February 2004, but he denied having any ties to the hijackers — even after being presented with phone records that seemed to link him to the two men.

The 28 pages discuss the role that Mr. Thumairy is said to have played, as well as a number of possible connections between Qaeda operatives and Saudi officials. One section of the report details how a phone number in a telephone book found with Abu Zubaydah, who was captured in Pakistan in March 2002 by the C.I.A., was traced to a corporation in Aspen, Colo., that manages the affairs of the Colorado residence of Prince Bandar.

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There's also this interesting article that was published last month:

A Saudi Imam, 2 Hijackers and Lingering 9/11 Mystery

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/18/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-sept11-classified-28-pages.html



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The Saud Family weren't the only ones in on 9/11. So was PNAC and Dick Cheney. ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #1
I am in general agreement with your story. nt villager Jul 2016 #3
Well we now know they cooked up a story to try to get Iraq to start a war, so why not that? Rex Jul 2016 #5
If there is one good thing about Trump, and to be clear I mean only ONE good thing, strategery blunder Jul 2016 #6
Me too, Trump's ego is so yuuuuggge that it might have cost the GOP their billion dollar pretense. Rex Jul 2016 #7
Hoping for another Pearl Harbor Teacheral Jul 2016 #12
I agree,. I suspect Chimpy was clueless, as always. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #14
I suspect he knew but being indifferent and incurious WhiteTara Jul 2016 #67
Jeb knew but chimpy, I don't think he knew it was actually going to go down. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #72
He gets no pass from me. nt WhiteTara Jul 2016 #76
Cheney was a co-signer to PNAC, before they scrubbed it. Rex Jul 2016 #19
So was Jeb Bush dflprincess Jul 2016 #41
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #13
I don't even need anything about the Mossad being involved. I already have enough to go on... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #16
I'm with you tom_kelly Jul 2016 #20
Omg, Tom, that's horrible about the coworkers :(. It's dangerous to say anything about... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #44
It doesn't even make any damn sense. Kentonio Jul 2016 #49
I'm sorry, but it's your thought process that doesn't make sense. But... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #56
If you want to believe in political collaboration by the neo-cons then that's one thing. Kentonio Jul 2016 #59
Again, your attempt to accuse me of "going on about controlled demolition" is not going... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #62
You clearly didn't bother to read anything I wrote, so we'll leave it there. Kentonio Jul 2016 #66
No, that is not clear. I read every single word you wrote. But do run off, buh-bye. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #70
Ah you read it and then just chose to completely misrepresent it. Kentonio Jul 2016 #84
Why is it dangerous to talk about bombs in the WTC, Tom? Francis Booth Jul 2016 #78
Who are you calling Tom? If you have something legitimate to say, you might start by... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #79
My bad - I was replying to you, but had tom_kelly's Francis Booth Jul 2016 #80
Because most people here adhere to the official conspiracy theory put forth by the... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #81
Thanks for explaining. nt Francis Booth Jul 2016 #82
I have come to the same conclusion. Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #38
It's criminal the way our media ignored the PNAC. CaptainTruth Jul 2016 #42
When you do nothing to stop a hijacking on the scale of 9/11, you didn't LIHOP, you... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #71
Our swell allies, the Saudis. villager Jul 2016 #2
Thanks for the giggle. 840high Jul 2016 #28
From ABC 9/19/01 James Woods Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #4
Wow 840high Jul 2016 #29
Kick for the truth sarcasmo Jul 2016 #8
Finally. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #9
That's why, after Sept. 11, we invaded Saudi Arabia. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #10
Nice to see that many of us who railed on Saudi Arabia sarcasmo Jul 2016 #11
proven right how? These articles contain almost nothing. uhnope Jul 2016 #52
But..but..our senators and congress folks knew what they were doing. bigwillq Jul 2016 #21
So, are we still nutty truthers for thinking this was more than a few guys w/box cutters? NightWatcher Jul 2016 #15
" truthers" never where nutty. Indeed, we were the only ones seeing the truth. Personally I'm... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #17
There are truthers and there are truthers. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #18
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #22
Exactly! Every group has it's nutty extremist fringe, including truthers 99th_Monkey Jul 2016 #32
Remote controlled?!? What the actual f is wrong with people.. Kentonio Jul 2016 #50
you didn't know planes could indeed be remotely controlled!? wildbilln864 Jul 2016 #57
Have you ever actually talked to an aerospace engineer? Kentonio Jul 2016 #61
you believe what ever makes you feel secure...but yes you can wildbilln864 Jul 2016 #63
Oh for... Kentonio Jul 2016 #68
you mean those cell phone calls that turned out to never have happened? wildbilln864 Jul 2016 #69
yea nonsense alright... wildbilln864 Jul 2016 #74
Writing as one professionally involved in Aerospace Engineering... Myrddin Jul 2016 #85
I just walked past the 9/11 memorial last Tuesday 47of74 Jul 2016 #23
(David) Rubenstein, co-founder of the Carlyle Group ... Jopin Klobe Jul 2016 #24
Rubenstein was one viper in the nest in Jimmy Carter's breast UTUSN Jul 2016 #26
Jul 26, 2001: Atty. General John Ashcroft advised to avoid commercial flights... VOX Jul 2016 #25
They picked a great day to release it.. choie Jul 2016 #27
& then there's BANDER-BUSH UTUSN Jul 2016 #30
Yes, the Saudi darling of the Bush Crime Family. n/t 99th_Monkey Jul 2016 #33
The people in this country are dangerously stupid to believe the Bush Adm. didn't see this coming. YOHABLO Jul 2016 #31
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #34
Are you seriously claiming TeddyR Jul 2016 #35
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #36
precisely! thank you! wildbilln864 Jul 2016 #37
Hi wildbilln864, good to see you pop into GD. What did the poster say... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #45
I think they spoke of... wildbilln864 Jul 2016 #46
Could you PM me more please? Thanks! nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #47
I agree. The evidence is overwhelming on this. Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #64
kick MariaThinks Jul 2016 #39
The only link I can find between the men on the dry run and the Saudi government Eko Jul 2016 #40
yep. Lamest "revelation" I've ever seen. Someone described it as a "dry run" uhnope Jul 2016 #51
Why are we still allies with that horrible country? Initech Jul 2016 #43
Oil MillennialDem Jul 2016 #60
The NY Times take on the release burfman Jul 2016 #48
is this nothingburger really the biggest revelation in the 28 pages of declassified docs? uhnope Jul 2016 #53
bushco wanted a war so bad hed do anything . even lie allan01 Jul 2016 #54
The actual "dress rehearsal" was the Indian Airlines plane hijack cosmicone Jul 2016 #55
Related: "Phoenix Memo" was sent on 7/10/2001 sofa king Jul 2016 #58
a month before and even on 9/11, there were many hijacking drills Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #65
Wonder how far this will be pursued. DirkGently Jul 2016 #73
I think it's pretty clear that they're not "potential" connections YoungDemCA Jul 2016 #77
With all the implications against the Saudis over the years and the US government still rladdi Jul 2016 #75
Quick question - raven mad Jul 2016 #83
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